Morales 2341 Spring 2015 Class TTH discussion

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Love and Desire > Adultery and Immorality - The Storm

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Lillian Morales (lillianmorales) | 41 comments Mod
Critics note that one of the controversial issues in this story is its “lack of moral closure.” What moral issues are raised in this story? Does Chopin’s closing sentence, that “everyone was happy” seem immoral (in her time and in present time)?


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Gilbert Salinas (GilbertAngelo) | 47 comments I do believe that in the short story "The Storm", written by Kate Chopin that there are defiantly immoral acts and there is lack of moral closure. The fact that Calixta and Alcee were both married is an obvious indication that an immoral act was committed. A lack of moral closure was recognized when Calixta, the wife decided to not inform her husband of her fling with Alcee, and right after Alcee then chooses not to inform his wife of his actions when he writes a letter to her. The joyful and satisfied attitude they have after they have sexual intercourse is like a slap to the face for Calixta's and Alcee's spouse, although they have no idea of their actions, one can only think of their concourse, if they feel guilty for what they did. The story shows little or no evidence that Calixta or Alcee felt guilty. I feel that the storm was used as an excuse to fulfill pleasures desires that at the time women were forced to oppress. Calixta thought that her husband might have perished in the storm which gave some influence for her decision, and the fact that Alcee’s wife was away, influenced Alcee’s decision. I think that the modern reader would be less astonished compared to the reader of time the story was written. In today's modern world sexual identity, overall knowledge, and sexual appearance is a lot more active and normal in modern society.


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Eric | 75 comments By Eric De Leon
The main moral issue raised in the story is one of infidelity. Chopin’s line “everyone was happy” (39) did not strike me as any more immoral than the actions of the characters in the story. In fact, there really isn’t room for judgment of the line since all it is really doing is stating an observation. What it does do is bring to light the second major immoral component to this story. The only reason that “everyone was happy” was due to the fact that everyone was lying to each other. Nobody in either family was aware of the infidelity taking place so happiness was only possible due to false pretenses. There are some things that are considered immoral throughout the traverses of time without much change; infidelity to a spouse is one of these things. That said I don’t feel that Chopin is required to offer up a “morality tale” if this is not her intent. Her biography states that she was shunned in the literary world due to progressive views on female sexuality and that is a shame because she is an excellent writer. A woman (and a man) did something immoral and didn’t get caught. I wonder if there would have been the same clamoring for "moral closure" had the protagonist been male. There shouldn’t be a need to censor artistic creativity in order to soothe the male ego.


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Maria Garcia | 57 comments In this short story The storm by Kate Chopins. Is a story about a woman having an affair with a old lover . The line "everyone was happy" seems to me what you don't know does not hurt you. If she did not want anything to happen it would not have. But she still had some kind of old feelings with this married man. They both committed adultery and did not get caught.at the end they both went their separate ways and were happy . As if nothing had happened and she was happy to see her husband and son back home after the storm.It is immoral what she did in her time and even now it is not acceptable. But now a days many women are not getting married,and back this time women had to be married whether they loved the man or not.


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Jesus M Manzanares | 64 comments In the short story “The Storm” which was written by Kate Chopin, The moral issues that were raised in this story were betrayal and Infidelity. In this story Both Calixta and Alcee betrayed their partners; who they were married to, by having sexual intercourse with each other. Paragraph 25 helps explain how Calixta and Alcee had a moment of passion that led them to having sexual intercourse with each other, “The generous abundance of her passion, without guile or trickery, was like a white flame which penetrated and found response in depths of his own sensuous nature that had never yet been reached.” Chopin’s closing sentence “everyone was happy” seems immoral for her time and also in the present because most infidelities are seemed as unacceptable in society. I believe that in 1898, infidelity was considered to be more immoral than in the present because back then men were the ones who controlled the women; the women did not had any rights in the United States. In the present immorality is more common because both men and women are being treated equally, which means that neither one has control over each other; Giving both genders the freedom to do anything they want.


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Jessica Perez | 72 comments In the short story "The Storm" by Kate Chopin you see plenty of immoral issues, not only for Chopin's time (1898) but for the present reader or society of today. The main moral issue of the story is infidelity, treachery, and disloyalty. In the story Calixta and Alcee have committed adultery; they both have decided to rekindle the fire they had a long time ago, even though they were married and had children. Both of their partners seem generous people trying their best to come home from a miserable storm. There is a lack of moral closure because neither Calixta nor Alcee have told their spouse of the infidelity; they just brush it off like nothing happened. As for Calixta it was immoral for her to do what she has done because women at the time were to respect and honor their husbands no matter what; and she did the complete opposite. As for Alcee, he is a man and even if his wife found out about the infidelity she could not divorce him. Chopin’s closing sentences, “So the storm passed and everyone was happy” seems unfair for Calixta and Alcee’s partners. In today’s society and in the past it is intolerable to do such an act. But, I do feel that in the past it would be more immoral for Calixta to have committed this act than today; because women have changed, they are more free.


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Jaqueline Chapa | 71 comments Kate Chopin's "The Storm" presents the issue of adultery. Back then and now, adultery is something shameful and immoral. I think the idea that the story contains a "lack of moral closure" is true. The closing sentence "So the storm passed and everyone was happy" emphasizes the immorality of Calixta and Alcée's actions. We know that Calixta and Alcée have been disloyal to their respective spouses by having an affair during the storm. When Calixta's husband and her son come back home after the storm, she pampers them and treats them to a feast, having no intention to reveal the truth. Similarly, Alcée writes to his wife who is away with their kids and tells her to stay at Biloxi as long as she needs to, but doesn't tell her what he's done with Calixta. Eveyone is happy because everyone is unaware of what happened during the storm. In that sense, there is a lack of moral closure; it feels wrong that everyone will just go on with their lives without knowing the truth. However, I believe the purpose of the closing sentence is to emphasize the immorality of Calixta's and Alcée's actions. Reading the words "everyone was happy," we feel the impact of Calixta's and Alcée's affair because we know that their spouses are being fooled and I think that is what the author intended. If the lack of moral closure in this story was controversial, I think the author achieved what she intended to.


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Yadira Estrada | 48 comments The moral issues in the story, “The Storm” is adultery and betrayed. Betrayed became part of the immoral issue because Calixta knew what she was doing it was wrong with Alcee they were both married. “When he touched her breasts they gave themselves up in quivering ecstasy, inviting his lips.” She maybe desired him more than ever. They made up the excuse of the storm to do adultery. They both didn’t feel guilty at all betraying their loved ones. “Everyone was happy” did seem so immoral both of them caring less what they did. During that time or present what they did was just wrong and immoral. Anyone would see as a betrayed from both of them. Out of sight, out of mind that’s how Calixta sees is towards her husband. As long as he doesn’t find out she’s happy and with no remorse at all on what she did on that stormy night.


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Erick Adrian  Lopez | 55 comments Lack of moral closure” is much more normal in today’s society than it was before. On the story, Calixta acts like a slut by having sex with his old love Alcee, even do she has a kid and married to Babinot. Is this correct? I can understand that perhaps her husband does not see her as when they were just married. She had a better “figure five years before when “she was young. it is obvious that after having a kid she is not what she used to be. It seems that her marrieds after having a kid as turned somewhat boring in terms of intimacy. Maybe Babinot does not feel attracted (sexually) to her anymore. He only sees her as the housekeeper and as the mother of her child and nothing else. It is clear that Calixta needs some action on her life. She had put on practice the phrase “ if at home they don’t give you what you need, look for it somewhere else” . Calixta felt the need of passion on her life since her husband was not willing to give it to her; she had to look for it on other place. Now I am totally against that kind of behavior, it is just no real justification for it. I totally believe that marriage should and must be a form preserve, reinforce and enclose a pure and honest love. Today you don’t see anything but fake marriages. People now these days just get married because they just got pregnant, all because of “lack of moral closure”.


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Yuri Sandoval | 64 comments “The Storm” by Kate Chopins is an immoral story. Whether in her time or in the present it is considered immoral for Alcee and Calixta to have an affair due to the fact that both are married and have children. Calixta has no shame doing what she did in her own home where she lives with her husband and son. It is very cynical of her how she acts very worried as her husband and son arrive home after the act of adultery she just did. Neither Calixta nor Alcee show signs of remorse for what they did. Alcee with no worries at all writes to his wife who is out of state telling her he is okay and that she can stay longer if she wants. In this part it even seems to me like he does want his wife to stay longer thinking he might have a chance to once again be able to have another encounter with his old beloved Calixta. Chopin’s closing sentence, that “everyone was happy” is just a way of sarcastically saying even with the sin Alcee and Calixta committed; because it is now their secret, everyone is falsely happy just because no one knows of their stormy betrayal.


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Arlette.Cortez | 72 comments I agree with the critics that note that in the short story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin there is a lack of moral closure. I also see the metaphor in the story when the storm was passing by is when both Calixta and Alcee lost their morals because they both cheated on their partners and once the storm was over everything went back to normal. They both went to their partners and live happily ever after with their families as if nothing had happen. To me Chopin’s closing sentence, “so the storm passed and everyone was happy” does seem immoral because even though everybody might seem happy the sin or the wrong doing was still committed. I don’t think the world has yet evolve in the cheating topic I know back than and even now cheating is still immoral and view as a sin.


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ChristinaMarie Kiesert | 59 comments After reading “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, I would definitely have to say that there is a lack of moral closure in this story because there are two characters in the story that are married and have cheated on their spouse. While they wait for the storm to pass by, Calixta and her ex boyfriend, Alcee make out and have sex. Once the storm goes away, Alcee leaves the house and writes to his wife letting her know it is okay to stay longer. I believe this is lack of moral because he writes to her as if nothing happened. Neither one of them tells their spouse nor anyone and I personally think it is crazy what they have done and they don’t even feel any regret. When the author mentions at the end of the story, “Everyone was happy” she meant saying that because nobody ever knew what went on between them two during the storm and since no one has a clue, everything remains the same and everybody’s happy. “Alcee’s arm encircled her, and for an instant he drew her close and spasmodically to him.” With this line, I believe Alcee was the one who made the first move as he drew her closer. If I were Calixta, I would’ve thought twice about letting my ex into my house and getting sexual, especially if I was married. She should’ve made the ethical decision and stick to having good morals.


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Joanna | 60 comments There is obviously a lack of moral closure in "The Storm," but is there any reasons for it? We really don't know, but we can assume that Calixta's and Bobinot's marriage got boring. Being a housewife, back then, and cheating on their husband seems too off. In today's society, we can easily identify what wife or "baby mamma" is cheating on their husband. Reading the story that was written in the late 1800's and seeing this kind of adultery may be shocking since women would respect themselves. Calixta may have needed attention or she just took her chance of being with her ex. Since Calixta got what she wanted and her husband and Bibi got home safe then that makes "everyone happy."


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Christa Lopez | 24 comments The moral issues raised in Chopin’s story are infidelity and lying by omission. Calixta and Alcee were former lovers, and now they’re both married and have children with other people. While waiting out a storm Alcee and Calixta sleep together in an unexpected moment of passion, and then once the storm is over they simply go on with their lives as if nothing happened. While Chopin’s closing sentence—“So the storm passed and everyone was happy.”—may sound immoral to some people I think that it simply stating a fact of what has happened. After their act of infidelity Calixta and Alcee seem to be happier within their marriages and so do their spouses. That being said I still think that Calixta and Alcee's cheating and secrecy is immoral no matter what time period perspective it is examined from.


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Eric Campos | 19 comments Her closing sentence in the short story does seem a little risky for that point in time. To me it is saying that the storm covered up her infidelity and now that it has passed everything is fine and okay, no harm no foul. I compare it to the saying, what they don't know, won't hurt them. Which in a sense is true but I feel is very wrong. For me that is the moral issue, they both are married and cheated with one another. Some might argue that it was only sex or it was only once, it is still very wrong and immoral. The twisted part of it is that her husband comes home and she plays it off like nothing ever happened and then kisses him after being and kissing someone else, in his own house no less. He even brings her shrimp and she tells him you're too good to me, oh man that part had me lifted. The audacity for her to do the things she did and to play it off like it was okay is very wrong. Not to say that the man is not to blame as well. He should have not come onto her like he should have. He should of just walked away from the heat of the moment to avoid their sexual tension. Overall, great story I thought and it was very advanced for it's time.


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Alexa Trevino | 37 comments The short story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin is basically about a huge storm that comes in, and while that is happening outside, these two people who are married and not to each other, decide to have an affair. They then go on to live their lives as if nothing happened, if anything, they are happier after they have committed adultery. The infidelity that occurs is what raises the moral issue here. Because although it is more common in our present time, the time that this story was written makes this scenario extremely scandalous and inappropriate. Women were very oppressed, especially the main character here, not only this story about an affair, but the fact that the position this woman was in pushed her to the point of committing this act because we can clearly see they both had history between each other, and whether it was class and wealth that kept them apart, it didn’t keep them apart when they had the chance.


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Janetrendon | 70 comments Critics are in fact right when stating this about the” The Storm”. Having an affair, and just sex itself are enough to be completely immoral especially at the time frame this was written and being alone with another man in your home. Having an affair is very wrong, but I believe she was going to have an affair weather she wanted to or not. It was a rainy , and thundering day they were alone, keep in mind Calixta had some special connection with Alcee ,”It reminded him of assumption” indicating a time in New Orleans they had I’m guessing. (11-14) It was bound to happen she may have never lost interst, Alcee was the one that got away, and when the chance presented itself she gave in, temptation at it’s finest. She may love Bobinot, but she may also love Alcee or perhaps lust after him. Yes during the time frame this story was written, it was immoral for her to say that, after she just committed adultery it was very immoral, this time period it is not that immoral, there are even people who know they are the “side chick” and they are completely content being in that position our era is more accepting of the sexual culture vs back then.


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Perla Pantoja | 17 comments In this story the major moral issue is that the wife seems to be very dedicated to her house but falls into her desire for Mr. Laballiere. During the storm they cheat on each others partners which to me the author uses the storm to represent the dirtiness and gray part of their actions and feelings of desire. After the storm they go back to their normal roles and both act as if nothing has happened. She even acts very hypocrite by saying how she was uneasy while she was weak to her desire and betrayed her marriage, “... Calixta felt him to see if he were dry, and seemed to express nothing but satisfaction at their safe return”. Mr.Laballiere does the same by writing a letter to his wife as if nothing happened. I think the ending is great because it shows how they are both happy with their families even if they acted immorally. I think betrayal for being weak to desire has happened both in the past and present. It will continue because as humans we make mistakes and are weak to those who we like.


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Jaime Gonzalez | 25 comments In "The Storm" by Kate Chopin, infidelity and adultery are two moral issues being raised in the story. Both Claxita and Alcee are married and have cheated on their spouses, committing adultery. “Devoted as she was to her husband, their intimate conjugal life was something which she was more than willing to forego for a while.” Seems to me that Clarisse doesn’t really love Alcee no more or doesn’t care for him. However, that doesn’t change the fact that he committed adultery. Maybe he shouldn’t have married her in the first place.
As for Claxita, well she is just a… what do you call it? A slut. She obviously had no guilt or remorse for her actions. What’s sad to me is that Bobinot is worried about what his wife is going to say/think about his son Bibi walking in to the house all muddy, while Claxita is having sex with her ex in THEIR house. "My! Bibi, w'at will yo' mama say! You ought to be ashame'. You oughta' put on those good pants. Look at 'em! An' that mud on yo' collar!” In the end of the story when she says "So the storm passed and everyone was happy." definitely shows immorality. Infidelity and adultery are both bad whether it happened in 1898 or today, however, I believe it is more common in today’s society mainly because sex is being influenced more and more in everyday life such as in today’s music.


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Ricardo Mendez | 63 comments Kate Chopin’s “The Storm” questions Adultery. In the short story a married woman and a married man have relations when a storm is passing by and afterward continue on with their lives as happy as can be. The story ends with the the line “everyone one was happy”. Its a story written in the third person and the narrator doesn't show their thoughts or feeling. The story ends without the characters displaying any sort of remorse. Because of this the story could be said to be controversial today and in the past.They had relations with other people but it did not affect their feeling for the ones they loved. It differentiates love from sex, desire and sin. The tone and narrative of the poem may give some the impression that there was nothing immoral about their actions. In a predominantly christian society today and in the time the story was written these sorts of actions between a man and a women in wedlock is frowned upon and not tolerated especially for women. It is something that happens and has always happened and many people have done it and lived their lives happy. This story is just putting reality on the page.


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Maria Garcia | 57 comments Eric wrote: "Her closing sentence in the short story does seem a little risky for that point in time. To me it is saying that the storm covered up her infidelity and now that it has passed everything is fine an..."
Hey Eric, very well put. I agree with you . They both were wrong on what they did. If they are both having marital problems this is not the way to solve their problems it just adds more friction to the relationship. I do not know how she is able to keep a secret like that. It is very immortal thing to do.


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Janetrendon | 70 comments Jesus M wrote: "In the short story “The Storm” which was written by Kate Chopin, The moral issues that were raised in this story were betrayal and Infidelity. In this story Both Calixta and Alcee betrayed their pa..."

hello, Jesus
I defiantly see what you mean Calixta and Alcee were in a moment of passion, they could not contain their energy or help it. I too thought that Chopin was immoral for that last statement in , "The Storm" during that time frame everyone had a certain believe that men were the dominant ones and respect must of been showed towards them, that is not the case now a days it is equal.


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Janetrendon | 70 comments Eric wrote: "Her closing sentence in the short story does seem a little risky for that point in time. To me it is saying that the storm covered up her infidelity and now that it has passed everything is fine an..."


Erick,
I can see where you are coming from, it was wrong on Calixta to continue the heat of the moment, while being married , BUT YES Alcee was the one who started it. Also I like how you used an example of how stormy it was and once the storm was over she used it to cover her infidelity up. I also agree with you this story was way advanced for it's time, now a days this story is something intriguing and anyone would probably wanna publish it.


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Eric | 75 comments Gilbert wrote: "I do believe that in the short story "The Storm", written by Kate Chopin that there are defiantly immoral acts and there is lack of moral closure. The fact that Calixta and Alcee were both married ..."

Hello Gilbert. I tend to agree with your assessment that a modern reader would not be as shocked reading about a woman taking pleasure in her partaking of infidelity than in times past. Her biography reports that she was ostracized by literary world in her time. That basically proves that the men of her time could not handle the thought of an unrepentant woman.


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Eric | 75 comments Jaqueline wrote: "Kate Chopin's "The Storm" presents the issue of adultery. Back then and now, adultery is something shameful and immoral. I think the idea that the story contains a "lack of moral closure" is true. ..."

Hi Jaqueline. Excellent analysis of the author's intent. I think it's a shame that Chopin's work was not appreciated in her own time but glad that it was eventually vindicated. Chopin is a perfect example of someone who just ahead of their time.


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Frank Corral | 19 comments Eric wrote: "By Eric De Leon
The main moral issue raised in the story is one of infidelity. Chopin’s line “everyone was happy” (39) did not strike me as any more immoral than the actions of the characters in th..."


Hey Eric i agree with the fact that "everyone was happy" because they were all in ignorant bliss, youre right they are only happy at the end because they are all under false pretenses. Ontop of that great point at the end of your argument, "There shouldn’t be a need to censor artistic creativity in order to soothe the male ego." #realtalk
-Frank Corral


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Frank Corral | 19 comments Christa wrote: "The moral issues raised in Chopin’s story are infidelity and lying by omission. Calixta and Alcee were former lovers, and now they’re both married and have children with other people. While waiting..."

Hey Christa, your argument is solid, except i think that the symbolism of the storm ending is deeper than just their infidelity ending and everyone being happier in their ignorance, maybe the storm represented the wild time they had. I can tell you have a good moral compass, you agree with their infidelity being immoral.


message 28: by Frank Corral (last edited Apr 08, 2015 01:55PM) (new)

Frank Corral | 19 comments I believe that the moral issues in the short story "The Storm" are infidelity and the morality of the main characters for doing it. It is interesting how the story is told, though the moral issue is evident, the tone of the story is definitely encouraging their secrets, the storm is a natural event at the same level as two people sharing a strong sexual connection with each other. Chopin's closing sentence that, “everyone was happy” is definitely considered immoral in her times society, however i believe her writing was beyond her time even though in this day and age she may still be considered immoral by most people. I definitely DO NOT agree that her writings and her characters are immoral. I think Chopin was comparing how sex in general is natural, a "marriage" is not natural, its a made up ceremony made by humans so they can call "dibs" on their significant other. If human nature (male and female) was not so promiscuous then someone cheating would be immoral. In present day and time i think that at the end of the day Calixta and Alcee satisfied their human needs and are happier for it, at the end of the day no one is hurt, and perhaps their moment of passion actually made them appreciate their lives a little bit more.
AFTER "THE STORM"
"Shrimps! Oh, Bobinôt you too good fo' anything!" and she gave him a
smacking kiss on the cheek that resounded."
"Alcée LaBalliére wrote to his wife, Clarisse, that night. It was a loving
letter, full of tender solicitude."


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ChristinaMarie Kiesert | 59 comments Jessica wrote: "In the short story "The Storm" by Kate Chopin you see plenty of immoral issues, not only for Chopin's time (1898) but for the present reader or society of today. The main moral issue of the story i..."

Jessica I also believe women back then were to respect and honor their husbands and she completely betrayed him. Today's society is a whole lot different than the past because now a days it is seen as normal to cheat and it doesn't surprise anyone anymore. Great post.


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Jaqueline Chapa | 71 comments Jessica wrote: "In the short story "The Storm" by Kate Chopin you see plenty of immoral issues, not only for Chopin's time (1898) but for the present reader or society of today. The main moral issue of the story i..."

Hi, Jessica. It occurs to me that while there is a lack of moral closure for the characters, the readers actually do get moral closure. Because Calixta and Alcée are unfaithful, because they don't reveal the truth to their spouses and make fools out of them, they (Bobinôt and Alcée's wife) don't get moral closure. However, the irony of the last sentence emphasizes how wrong Calixta and Alcée are and it impacts the reader. In that sense, I feel like the writer actually provided moral closure for the readers, because she lets us see that she herself has a moral compass, that she agrees that Calixta's and Alcée's actions were completely immoral.


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Jaqueline Chapa | 71 comments Christa wrote: "The moral issues raised in Chopin’s story are infidelity and lying by omission. Calixta and Alcee were former lovers, and now they’re both married and have children with other people. While waiting..."

Hi, Christa. Yours is an interesting way to interpret the last sentence. I can see why you would say they all might actually be happy after Calixta and Alcée commit acts of infidelity, but for me it just holds a lot of impact. I feel like the writer wanted us to feel the irony of the situation with just those words. I mean, it's true that they were all happy, but only because they didn't know the reality of what happened during the storm.


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Alexa Trevino | 37 comments Yadira wrote: "The moral issues in the story, “The Storm” is adultery and betrayed. Betrayed became part of the immoral issue because Calixta knew what she was doing it was wrong with Alcee they were both marrie..."

Yadira your last sentence really nailed the point on the moral issue. She did infact cheat on her husband without remorse, which is what makes the story that much more scandalous.


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Jessica Perez | 72 comments Yuri wrote: "“The Storm” by Kate Chopins is an immoral story. Whether in her time or in the present it is considered immoral for Alcee and Calixta to have an affair due to the fact that both are married and hav..."

Yuri, I most definitely agree with your last sentence; Chopin character were mocking their relationships because no one knew what they had committed and lived life happily. Also, I do feel that in the past and present people still see adultery as a crime, expect in today world we are more lenient.


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Jessica Perez | 72 comments Arlette.Cortez wrote: "I agree with the critics that note that in the short story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin there is a lack of moral closure. I also see the metaphor in the story when the storm was passing by is when bo..."

Arlette, I like how you use the storm as a metaphor to what is happening at the time Alcee and Calixta had their infidelity an when they where back to their routine. I do believe that adultery is a crime and no matter the past or present it is still unacceptable to cheat on your spouse.


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Ricardo Mendez | 63 comments Maria wrote: "In this short story The storm by Kate Chopins. Is a story about a woman having an affair with a old lover . The line "everyone was happy" seems to me what you don't know does not hurt you. If she d..."

Hey Maria, you mentioned in your post that maybe Calixia married for the wrong reasons and not for true love. In that statement are you saying that when you truly love someone you don't cheat? In my opinion true love and sexual attraction are something that are related but separate things. You can love someone and still be sexually attracted to another. What are your thoughts on this?


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Arlette.Cortez | 72 comments ChristinaMarie wrote: "After reading “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, I would definitely have to say that there is a lack of moral closure in this story because there are two characters in the story that are married and have ..."

I agree with you Christina, there is a lack of moral in the story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin. Just like you, I also find cheating on your spouse a very immoral thing to do specially, because just like you said after everything is done and the storm passed by they both continue their normal life with their spouse as if nothing had happen. Which makes both Calixta and Alcee not only cheaters but liars as well. I also like how you mention that in the last sentence when Katy wrote down “everybody was happy” she really meant to say that because nobody ever knew what went on between Calixta and Alcee during the storm everybody remained the same living their normal happy life with their spouse. Things truly would be different if one of them four finds out what happened that stormy day.


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Ricardo Mendez | 63 comments Janetrendon wrote: "Critics are in fact right when stating this about the” The Storm”. Having an affair, and just sex itself are enough to be completely immoral especially at the time frame this was written and bein..."

Hey Janet, I definitely agree with you that Calixia's actions were immoral. I think the biggest immorality with her actions is the break of the commitment not necessarily the action itself. I think that like the storm sexual attraction is something that is natural but the commitment that is made during marriage is something that shouldn't be broken.


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Arlette.Cortez | 72 comments Janetrendon wrote: "Critics are in fact right when stating this about the” The Storm”. Having an affair, and just sex itself are enough to be completely immoral especially at the time frame this was written and bein..."

Yes I agree with you Janet, having an affair and cheating on your husband or wife is very wrong a totally immoral. But I do disagree with you when you say that she was still going to have an affair because it was a thundering day and she had a special connection to Alcee. I don’t find that to be a good reason to cheat on someone’s wife or husband. Both Calixta and Alcee should have enough morals to step away from each other and not cheat on their spouse. That is why just like the critics and you I also find this story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin an immoral story.


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Erick Adrian  Lopez | 55 comments Maria wrote: "In this short story The storm by Kate Chopins. Is a story about a woman having an affair with a old lover . The line "everyone was happy" seems to me what you don't know does not hurt you. If she d..."
I don’t really believe that at the end everyone ended up being happy at all. To me the only once that are not happy is happy is Babinot. Even do he never realize about his wife adultery, He is not happy. His marriage is everything but love, he seem frustrated because of his wife. He does not see her as the young beautiful women she once was. He only sees her as the mother of his son and nothing more.


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Erick Adrian  Lopez | 55 comments Christa wrote: "The moral issues raised in Chopin’s story are infidelity and lying by omission. Calixta and Alcee were former lovers, and now they’re both married and have children with other people. While waiting..."

that kind of behavior should not be allowed. it is true that it is a natural thing, but we are supposed to be humans. humans that can control their animal instincts. We have the ability to be civilized. if we do not control ourselves, then what is the point of being a human being. lets all be animals then......


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Christa Lopez | 24 comments Joanna wrote: "There is obviously a lack of moral closure in "The Storm," but is there any reasons for it? We really don't know, but we can assume that Calixta's and Bobinot's marriage got boring. Being a housewi..."
Joanna, I get what you are trying to say by assuming that Calixta and her husband's relationship was tired, and that adultery would be considered more shocking back then than it is now. However from reading your response I have to wonder why you only focused on Calixta as being a cheater. Alcee was also a married man, and it is very important to point out that HE was the one who compelled Calixta to cheat. He put his arm around her and she moved away from him, then he put his hands on her again and tempted her thoughts by looking at her seductivley, ignited the thoughts of their past relationship, and passionatley kissed Calixta. I am not excusing Calixta because she could have said no and told him to leave, but she is not the only one that should be blamed in this situation.


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Miguel | 42 comments Many moral issues can be brought out from the short story "The Storm" such as infidelity, betrayal, and lust. Calixta and Alcee go through a strong sexual tension and desire after Calixta provided shelter to Alcee until the storm passed. The storm itself may symbolize the sexual tension and danger of their affair and it also had a main influence on their infidelity. "Calixta put her hands to her eyes, and with a cry, staggered backward." This reaction by Calixta is an initial and slightly tease that Alcee's natural instincts provoked him to want to protect her. After that he got aroused by holding her close to him. "The contact of her warm, palpitating body when he had unthinkingly drawn her into his arms, had aroused..". Lust was also part of the moral issues in the story and it can be demonstrated in this sentence when Alcee's started to desire her flesh. After the affairs, Alcee and Calixta acted like nothing happened and they did not tell their partners, so betrayal may be considered the last moral issue in the story.


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Miguel | 42 comments Perla wrote: "In this story the major moral issue is that the wife seems to be very dedicated to her house but falls into her desire for Mr. Laballiere. During the storm they cheat on each others partners which ..."
I liked your post and I totally agree with your point of view. In the end they both acted as if nothing happened and seem very happy after the infidelity. To me its amazing how they feel no remorse after betraying their marriage and family.


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Jesus M Manzanares | 64 comments Hi, Perla I agree with you when you say that the storm represents their infidelity towards their spouses. Both Calixta and Alcee acted as if nothing happened when they talked to their spouses. The last sentence says how happy both characters were after they had sexual intercourse.


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Jesus M Manzanares | 64 comments Hello Jaqueline I agree with you when you say that both Calixta and Alcee committed adultery because they were married and they did not had sex with their respective partners. The storm represented the passion that they had in that moment and when it passed everything went back to normal. The last sentence for me represents the change they had from being bored to being happy because they were already bored of their partners and after the infidelity they were really happy.


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Joanna | 60 comments Erick wrote: "Lack of moral closure” is much more normal in today’s society than it was before. On the story, Calixta acts like a slut by having sex with his old love Alcee, even do she has a kid and married to..."

Erick, I agree with. Calixta could of put a stop to what happened, just to get things cleared I'm not blaming her for everything, but I believe we could control every act we make. Calixta has a kid and is married and still got with the man without even thinking about her family, maybe she really was tired of her marriage and didn't even think about anything but the chance she had.


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Joanna | 60 comments Frank Corral wrote: "I believe that the moral issues in the short story "The Storm" are infidelity and the morality of the main characters for doing it. It is interesting how the story is told, though the moral issue i..."

Frank, do you believe in marriage? We hardly see any married couples that are faithful, or think they are faithful, in today's society so maybe marriage is not natural. Maybe we think that's whats going to make us happy but maybe happiness has no rules.


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Yadira Estrada | 48 comments Jaime wrote: "In "The Storm" by Kate Chopin, infidelity and adultery are two moral issues being raised in the story. Both Claxita and Alcee are married and have cheated on their spouses, committing adultery. “De..."

Jaime, I also think Claxita might be a slut because she betrayed her husband with Alcee. Yes they both committed adultery but I see that a man comes until the women wants. She couldve easily walked away and said no.


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Yadira Estrada | 48 comments Gilbert wrote: "I do believe that in the short story "The Storm", written by Kate Chopin that there are defiantly immoral acts and there is lack of moral closure. The fact that Calixta and Alcee were both married ..."

Gilbert, both of them did use the excuse of the storm to cheat on their spouse but its not an excuse to do it at all. They both didn't even worry especially Alcee because his wife was away and Claxita pretty much cared less.


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Christa Lopez | 24 comments Frank Corral wrote: "I believe that the moral issues in the short story "The Storm" are infidelity and the morality of the main characters for doing it. It is interesting how the story is told, though the moral issue i..."

Frank, I really like how you defended that Chopin’s writing and her characters aren’t immoral. I mean to point out that marriage is an institution made up by humans is freaking brilliant in my opinion! I agree that Calixta and Alcee were just following their natural feelings brought on by their ramantic history and the storm that coincidentally brought them together again. I also drew the same conclusion that maybe Calixta and Alcee are better off in their marriages because they probably realized their lives and families are more valuable to them than a passionate fantasy with each other. However I just cannot accept that their act of infidelity is okay. While marriage may be a product of humans the fact is it existed in the 1800’s and still exists today; that makes cheating wrong.


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