Nightmares and Dreamscapes discussion

This thread is for just off topic discussions that members might want to discuss more deeply. :)

Fine. Let's trigger some folk.
https://youtu.be/JrizNJXQ0iw?si=-Cqnt...

What? “Shall not be infringed”….pretty sure that’s infringement

Re, all things Hellraiser here.

Welcome to the Island of Misfit Topics.

I’ve never seen hellraiser what exactly is it about

Brianna wrote: "I’ve never seen hellraiser what exactly is it about"

That's an excellent question, and kinda what we're discussing.

J. wrote: "Welcome to the Island of Misfit Topics."

Suitable for misfits!

Hellraiser is a movie about a family in which the evil stepmother has an affair with her husband's brother, Frank. Then Frank plays with the wrong puzzle box and gets dragged to Hell. Unfortunately, for our protagonist, Kirsty, and her father, Frank comes back and the Cenobites follow him.
https://youtu.be/8mOn4h0lgKQ?si=4C6H9...

Ohhh ok! I wasn’t allowed to watch horror movies growing up so I’m basically playing catch up and haven’t gotten around to hellraiser yet, I’ll have to ask the husband if he has it amongst his vast collection of DVDs

Hellraiser is sick awesome, glad to talk about it!

Brianna wrote: "Ohhh ok! I wasn’t allowed to watch horror movies growing up so I’m basically playing catch up and haven’t gotten around to hellraiser yet, I’ll have to ask the husband if he has it amongst his vast..."

Oh no shucks, my mom was the opposite she would upon my request go to the video rental store, yes VHS tapes and all and bring me a few horror movies when I was sick and home from school, I think some of the best ones I saw were the ones she picked randomly, she even brought me horror books and murder mysteries from the library, the video store and library were 2 blocks away luckily. I still appreciate that to this day.

If you're put off by gore, body horror, or blasphemy go slow. And it is absolutely not appropriate for little kids. You'll see what I mean.

That said, what Graeme and I were chatting about was certain themes and philosophies in the films. (There is also a novella, but I have yet to read it.) We had touched on Dualism which is a philosophy which argues that man is two part, the physical body and the metaphysical soul/spirit. We also toyed with the familial tragedy touched by the supernatural aspects.

^ I read the first book, do you mean The Hellbound Heart :)?



“Barker’s the best thing to happen to horror fiction for many moons. . . [he] never fails to deliver the compelling prose and relentless horror his readers expect.” —Chicago Tribune

The classic tale of supernatural obsession from the critically acclaimed master of darkness—and the inspiration for the cult classic film Hellraiser

From his scores of short stories, bestselling novels, and major motion pictures, no one comes close to the vivid imagination and unique terrors provided by Clive Barker. The Hellbound Heart is one of Barker’s best—a nerve-shattering novella about the human heart and all the great terrors and ecstasies within its endless domain. It is about greed and love, desire and death, life and captivity, bells and blood. It is one of the most frightening stories you are likely to ever read.

Frank Cotton's insatiable appetite for the dark pleasures of pain led him to the puzzle of Lemarchand's box, and from there, to a death only a sick-minded soul could invent. But his brother's love-crazed wife, Julia, has discovered a way to bring Frank back—though the price will be bloody and terrible . . . and there will certainly be hell to pay.

Yes, that is the novella. I understand the description of the Lament Configuration is very different from the movies. Is the family dynamic also different?

@Kasia I was barely allowed to watch/read Harry Potter and twilight 😂 when my mom saw bits and pieces of Deadpool while my dad was watching she freaked out knowing that I watched it too not to mention my dad and I went to see it together lol

It felt different when I read it and watched the movie but that was a while ago but there was a difference to me. Gotta investigate further and do re-watch and re-read now I'm curious.

I do have this cute guy on my bookshelf tho

@J. I’ve never been bothered by gore or anything like that and I have learned to ignore blasphemy since it’s mainly for the shock value. I’m definitely adding it to my watch list

Brianna wrote: "@Kasia I was barely allowed to watch/read Harry Potter and twilight 😂 when my mom saw bits and pieces of Deadpool while my dad was watching she freaked out knowing that I watched it too not to ment..."

I get it, they try to protect you but watching Alien movies with my dad, and Conan the Barbarian at 3 which is still one of my favorite movies was such a blast. Parenting is tough but some fun things can slide, I'm being super impartial lol.

Brianna wrote: "@Kasia I was barely allowed to watch/read Harry Potter and twilight 😂 when my mom saw bits and pieces of Deadpool while my dad was watching she freaked out knowing that I watched it too not to mention my dad and I went to see it together lol"

Oh yeah. Your mother will not like Hellraiser.
https://youtu.be/TZTVmVa8nrI?si=kYj8D...

@Kasia oh yea i see now as an adult, because we NEVER see it as we’re growing up you know lol, but I imagine I will be a little less strict with my children but I still want to protect them from other things. The only thing I could get away with was music. My mom didn’t care to listen to what I listened to so she relied on my dad to keep an eye out, we listed to a lot of the same things, and my dad was just like “I dont care you know right from wrong” lol

@J. For some reason the link is not working for me

Hellraiser is awesome! I actually watched it the first time (you guys are going to kick me - lol) about two years ago. I had been seeing it forever but just never watched it for some reason.

I need to read the book at some point. I think I tried to read one of his books once - years ago and he is super deep horror - you have to really concentrate on his stories. I struggled with it but I think my head space wasn't in it.

Marie wrote: "Hellraiser is awesome! I actually watched it the first time (you guys are going to kick me - lol) about two years ago. I had been seeing it forever but just never watched it for some reason.

I ne..."

I think you'd like it, Marie.

My review is here.

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Brianna wrote: "@J. For some reason the link is not working for me"

Try this one.
https://youtu.be/S7B2iFpl2lk?si=COOmm...

@J. Oh yeah, she wouldn’t like it lol. But I couldn’t help but laugh at whatever that thing was with the sunglasses lol

Brianna wrote: "Ohhh ok! I wasn’t allowed to watch horror movies growing up so I’m basically playing catch up and haven’t gotten around to hellraiser yet, I’ll have to ask the husband if he has it amongst his vast..."

The Hellraiser series was based on a Clive Barker novel The Hellbound Heart. The first movie is pretty good and the second one is pretty good, after that....

That was my experience too, Papa.

The 3rd one was ewww.

I haven't seen the recent reboot, and I'll probably give it a go.

Graeme wrote: "That was my experience too, Papa.

The 3rd one was ewww.

I haven't seen the recent reboot, and I'll probably give it a go."

Did not know there was a reboot

There have been a few reboots. This was the most recent.
https://youtu.be/oUlgwJNdu2I?si=kkNMF...

Papaphilly wrote: "Brianna wrote: "Ohhh ok! I wasn’t allowed to watch horror movies growing up so I’m basically playing catch up and haven’t gotten around to hellraiser yet, I’ll have to ask the husband if he has it ..."

I still haven't seen the original nor read the book but I need to because I play Horror Trivial Pursuit and I always end up getting questions about Hellraiser and The Hellbound Heart!

@Justin oh I didn’t know they had a horror one but it makes sense lol and that would be my luck to get a movie/book I’ve never even seen/read lol

Apparently, there is a Trivia Pursuit Horror Edition.
https://www.amazon.com/Trivial-Ultima...

J. wrote: "Apparently, there is a Trivia Pursuit Horror Edition.
https://www.amazon.com/Trivial-Ultima...-..."

Yeah, we sell it at my workplace lol

@J must have!!

Making plans for this Thursday?
https://youtu.be/h_yWxi8Dy30?si=dv9VX...

Do shots when you hear:
"C'mon man"
"Sad"
"Cheap fakes"
"Crack"
Gibberish

@J. None of us will make it out alive 😰

Death would be draining it if you hear:

"Fake News"
"President Harris"

What are the requisite everyday carry items today?

When I was younger, a man about town was expected to have certain things on him, other than his wallet and keys. For me, it was a pocket knife, cigarette lighter, a watch, shoes that lace, and at least $100 cash. Those things could get you through a lot of problems.

What are the EDC accoutrements, nowadays? Almost nobody smokes, so is a lighter passé? Is a pocket knife more likely to get you arrested than get you out of a jam? More cash, or is cash obsolete? Have phones replaced watches? What new things have been added?

I wear a garmin watch, I carry my purse with my wallet, pens, chapstick, extra ponytail holders, portable charger with an extra cord, knife, I have one of the chargeable electric lighter things, and I try to keep a little cash on hand

Remember when Jaguar was a manufacturer of greatish British sports cars?

They've decided to rebrand.
https://youtu.be/rLtFIrqhfng?si=SSXu_...

I feel like Don Vito standing over the body of his son, Sonny. "Look how they massacred my boy!"

@J. That looks/feels like one of those dreams I had while doped up on cold medicine and powering through a cold…those are when I have my most disturbing/weird ones, and this ad is an accurate representation

I never had weird dreams with cold medicine. A couple of times I popped two Benadryls and had to fight off the Hat Man. I don't recommend that

Cold/sleep aides make me act/dream weird. Once I took some of my husband’s otc sleep pills, and my body would keep stiffening up and I would basically start reaching for the ceiling while laying there. I think it scared him a little 😂

J. wrote: "I never had weird dreams with cold medicine. A couple of times I popped two Benadryls and had to fight off the Hat Man. I don't recommend that"

What is the Hat Man? Sounds scary!! lol :)

J you missed your calling - you should have been an author. Now I want a book written of the Hat Man! lol :)

Brianna wrote: "Cold/sleep aides make me act/dream weird. Once I took some of my husband’s otc sleep pills, and my body would keep stiffening up and I would basically start reaching for the ceiling while laying th..."

You were channeling levitation Brianna! lol Did you feel like you were floating above the bed? :)

@Marie if that was channeling levitation I don’t want it 🤣 at times yes but at the same time it felt like all my muscles froze up

Marie wrote: "What is the Hat Man? Sounds scary!! lol :..."

The Hat Man is a specific shadow person who is differentiated by his wide brimmed hat. He sneaks into the lives of people around the world from some twisted corner of Jung's Collective Unconscious.
https://youtu.be/84J7YYbT9vI?si=ccmRT...

I've never dreamed about the hat man. My bad dreams usually have something to do with work, although I retired from teaching many years ago. I had an unsettling dream a few nights ago in which I was running around for days frantically pursuing something or someone, and I suddenly realized that I had been absent from my teaching job for three days without calling in. Horrifying!