The Debate Club discussion

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NO, what's the point of making more gun laws, the only people who follow those new laws are the people that won't do something stupid. The criminals will still have guns and do mass shootings but law abiding citizens won't be able to protect themselves.

That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for mental conditions before purchase? I don't know *shrugs*. Also at first I said I wasn't going to get engaged but I wanted to comment on this so idk

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for mental conditions before purchase? I don'..."

lol, yeah that would def be smart like we shouldn't be selling guns to mentally insane people yk.

James wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for m..."

Yeah lol

I agree, harsher gun laws won't do anything. All that I really care about are proper licensing stuff and concealment laws. If we really wanted to stop violent gun crimes, we should get to the root of them. Does it not disturb you that the last major school shooting was committed by a 14-year-old?

Sai wrote: "I agree, harsher gun laws won't do anything. All that I really care about are proper licensing stuff and concealment laws. If we really wanted to stop violent gun crimes, we should get to the root ..."

Agreed! That DOES disturb me. In fact, it makes me sick.

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for mental conditions before purchase? I don'..."

I agree with this, Barnette. Purchasing guns is the main problem with this, so there should definitly be a way to make sure that the guns wont be used for bad purposes.

Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for m..."

I don't think there's any way to do that. What if someone's condition developed after their purchase?

cami wrote: "Gun violence is definitely a huge issue, at least in the United States. Some people think that average people should be allowed guns to defend themselves, and my problem with this argument is that ..."

ooh you've got me there I can't argue that logic. guess I have to find some other debate to argue on XD

That's is very true. What's a buyback program?

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a..."

oh good point. so you're saying there's really no way to tell or what?

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a..."

Good point. I don't know how that could work. It was just a suggestion

Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronge..."

I mean, you can, but it is definitely not going to be very effective. Obviously you should try to tell during the time of purchase, but that shouldn't be our only line of defense.

cami wrote: "Gun violence is definitely a huge issue, at least in the United States. Some people think that average people should be allowed guns to defend themselves, and my problem with this argument is that ..."

thats a very good point :)

Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun ..."

maybe like pay professionals to inspect how the person's doing like every once in a while? But ig that WOULD get kinda expensive... I'm so dumb I have no solution for this my brain is like CHALLENGEEEEE

Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and ke..."

Me neither. I think maybe there should get some procedure that you have to go through to get a gun. Kind of like a job application. Listing your age, what the gun will be used for, mental health, etc.

That would make sense. And it would keep teens and bad people from buying guns to, say rob somewhere or shoot up a school or smt.

Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about ..."

WAIT I GOT IT

what if gun licenses expire every few years? Like they come with an expiration date printed on them, so that every once in a while, people must come to a checkup in order to renew their gun

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and..."

YOUVE SOLVED IT OMGG

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and..."

WAIT THATS ACTUALLY GENIUS

Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great a..."

thank you :)

Aru (seaweed brain's version) wrote: "i feel like guns should be very strict bcs like why would a normal person need a gun. i feel like if ur like an important person or smth then u would need a gun. but if u want a gun just for peace ..."

Well, a lot of people use guns for sport hunting.

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and..."

WOOAAHH

guysss I searched up if gun licenses expire and turns out they already do. So I guess I'm not the first genius to think of this XD

Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and..."

YOU OFFICALLY GET THE TITLE "BIGGEST BRAIN" for now at least >:)

Sai wrote: "guysss I searched up if gun licenses expire and turns out they already do. So I guess I'm not the first genius to think of this XD"

oop XD

Sai wrote: "guysss I searched up if gun licenses expire and turns out they already do. So I guess I'm not the first genius to think of this XD"

lmao

cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should be stronger, such as a person getting evaluated for m..."

Erm idk

cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should ..."

No, I get it!! But I think this all comes back to: why should we have to defend ourselves in the first place?

Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about ..."

Guys there is already alot you have todo to get a gun. I have a hunting rife, and you have to do a background check and a bunch of other stuff.

Thanks, James! Good to know

Np, idk about in other state but that in Pa.

Okie

cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping a gun should ..."

I see where you're coming from. If I was in charge of giving gun licenses, I completely agree, I wouldn't consider a mental condition as a reason to deny the license unless it was very very likely the illness could cause the person to misuse the gun

Sai wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws about purchasing and keeping ..."

I def would lol, we don't want people with mental disorders with guns.

they totally do

cami wrote: "James wrote: "Sai wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But maybe laws abo..."

CUZ THEY CAN'T THINK PROPERLY AND MIGHT SHOOT PEOPLE FOR NO FREAKING REASON.

James wrote: "cami wrote: "James wrote: "Sai wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and I agree. But m..."

As someone with multiple mental illnesses, I disagree. Mental illnesses don't make you "not think properly", they make you think differently, and that in NO way directly coorelates to shooting people for no reason.

I have lost people to gun violence, none of the perpetrators had mental illnesses, they were just dumbass white men. (I am white lmao)

Frankly, it just sounds like you're uninformed when it comes to mental illnesses, so I'll give you a pass. Some mental illnesses COULD cause someone to do something, but its all circumstantial, case by case.

·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· wrote: "James wrote: "cami wrote: "James wrote: "Sai wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "cami wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "That's actually a great argument, and ..."

I don't disagree with you on, how many people with mantel illnesses wouldn't shoot people if they had a gun. BUT that doesn't mean they should have a gun. Like you said it makes you think differently and people with guns need to have there FULL mental ability.



I'm so glad you pointed out the WHITE men thing made me laugh. Every race is apart of these shootings so no point in being stupid and saying WHITE MEN.

Maybe don't sell weaponry to anyone but the government and then run a confiscation program that pays for any guns turned in including ones you previously owned but want to depart with due to laws. People like money.

ellie wrote: "I love how you can get a gun at 18, but you cant drink."

I have had my eye on this sunny-d vodka sprite tropica mix that a friend told me about. May not be eighteen but that sounds tasty.

オールマイト wrote: "
Maybe don't sell weaponry to anyone but the government and then run a confiscation program that pays for any guns turned in including ones you previously owned but want to depart with due to law..."

I think a lot of people would get REALLY angry about that though. Many Americans enjoy hunting, and that activity would be taken away from them. They also feel they have the right to defend themselves with a gun, and that right would be taken away. Also, I feel like this might encourage illegal activity, if people wanted a gun bad enough to steal or smuggle it.

Yes, I think the age for purchasing/owning a gun should be raised to at least 21 years, though maybe older because a lot of 21 year olds are... rowdy. I'm looking at you, college kids

as someone who lives in australia its always so interesting to see this debate come up because all it took here was the port arthur shooting in which a man took a firearm into a cafe and open fired, killing thirty five people.

after that they enacted some of the fastest gun legislation within two years, immediately after the shooting. they brought in a buy-back program, made it so that certain guns with certain capacities are restricted to certain professions (e.g. law enforcement).

you can only get a maximum of five year license (which must be renewed with a proper background check into your medical history and criminal background) after completing a proper course and providing a legitimate reason (e.g. hunting, self defence does not count) as well as giving in your finger-prints for certain types of guns.

even the way you store them has to be down to a meticulous ruling, just the shell of the gun must be placed in the safe that is bolted to the ground/surface that it is placed on and the bullets themselves must be stored in yet another safe at least 1 metre away from where the gun is. police officers are also allowed to come at any time to inspect the way you store your guns and if its found you don't store them properly your license can be cancelled, the gun is take away from you and you have to pay some hefty fines. there are other requirements for the safe themselves such as the thickness and material it must be made out of but i won't bore you with the details.

i say all this because this is considered 'harsh legislation' however it is the sole reason why we have only had seven school shootings since 1991 (keeping in mind 1996 was when legislation was even brought in) with three deaths overall (five had no casualties)

(source included but does not account for perth school shooting)
https://www.cbp.com.au/insights/publi....

(source for perth)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-austra...

too many stories come from america of yet another disillusioned teenager taking a gun and open firing on kids. it is as much of a tragedy as it is a pattern nowadays and it is sad that rather than addressing right wing politicians take it as an opportunity to turn it into a moment of identity politics. death and violence is indiscriminate and the gender of the shooter should not matter as much as the act of violence itself. gun violence in fact is so prevalent in america that it accounted for most deaths than any other reason in 2021 - this is insane.

(source)
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-rea...

yes the declaration of independence says you should have the right to firearms to protect yourself but it was also created in 1776 when wars were being fought and the modern civilisation that we live in now was unthinkable. it is time for a change if not to stop all this tragedy and violence, then to catch up to the rest of the world.

sunny ୨୧⋆｡˚ ⋆ wrote: "as someone who lives in australia its always so interesting to see this debate come up because all it took here was the port arthur shooting in which a man took a firearm into a cafe and open fired..."

I had no idea Australia had laws this harsh (maybe harsh isn't the right word, idk). America really needs to catch up 😔

Actually, the reason the second amendment is there is because the Framers remembered rebelling against their own army (the British army) and wanted the future generations to be able to do the same should it come to that. Obviously they never considered that weaponry would progress beyond the musket lmao but they never meant for guns to be used widely for hunting and self defense. the 2nd amendment makes it pretty clear that James Madison was talking about people in militias

Sai wrote: "Actually, the reason the second amendment is there is because the Framers remembered rebelling against their own army (the British army) and wanted the future generations to be able to do the same ..."

wow that's actually quite interesting! i thought it was to prevent the united states from creating a standing army (though they most definitely have one now lol) so that a professional army wouldn't be able to attack citizens who were unarmed (so by allowing them to bear arms they would be able to defend themselves)

though now that i read that back i can see how that relates to your idea.

regardless, i think the point still stands in that modern civilisations progress does not constitute the second amendment being a viable argument to why gun control hasn't been implemented.

Reminder this exists!

No! What happened to "Freedom to Use Your Own Weapons However You Want"??