The Debate Club discussion

Suggested by Chadlotte, thanks!

yes 100%

absolutely

Should we broaden this to self defense in general?

rpists should have their pps cut off

Griffin wrote: "She should get to tear him limb for limb, slowly peel the skin off, Stab him in the heart freeze him put him in a wood chipper and just watch the snowww"

watch the snow

gia (ia. playoffs) wrote: "rpists should have their pps cut off"

yes!!!!

the snowww

I think we are assuming that women CAN kill the rapist as in you all are saying all this stuff but when ? After? In the moment??

well i mean murder is never a GOOD thing and i don't think any woman should WANT to kill anyone, but if it is necessary for self-defense, then yes

MidnightButterfly wrote: "I think we are assuming that women CAN kill the rapist as in you all are saying all this stuff but when ? After? In the moment??"

i think the whole point is to prevent it, like if its already after, misewell wait for trial and stuff? idk

Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?

Faith wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "I think we are assuming that women CAN kill the rapist as in you all are saying all this stuff but when ? After? In the moment??"

i think the whole point is to prevent it..."

yeah

in the moment, yeah, but not like when ur safe and u come back to kill them ig? depends on circumstances heavily

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?"

i will never forgive a rapist. they know what they did and i hope they burn in hell for it

Lol are we assuming before or after or just in general? There is a whole of assumptions going on here lol.

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?"

if its already happened, possibly but not neccessarily likely

i think if its in the moment and you killed them that would be self defense but afterwards you should wait for trial bcs then you arnt defending yourself you are purposely going after a person

yes agree

Like is this someone who broke into your house and you think they are gonna abuse you? Did the person declare they are gonna abuse you. Are you armed? Or disarmed? Is this an extra handsy person at a party?

Lol the trial be like “your honor my drunk co-worker touched my butt so i stabbed him through the heart at the work outing.” Sounds like self defense to me.

i mean again, it is worst case scenario kind of situation so we aint just killin people for funsies lol, i assume the person would be sure

Austin wrote: "Like is this someone who broke into your house and you think they are gonna abuse you? Did the person declare they are gonna abuse you. Are you armed? Or disarmed? Is this an extra handsy person at..."

a handsy person you should not kill but definitely if you said no and they kept doing it a slap should be going to them.

if they broke in you can already kill them bcs that would be self defence lol

if they declare is you cant really do anything as they haven't done it yet but you should definitely notify friends family police etc

well i mean me personally im always armed but not everyone will be but i mean idk how that plays into if you should be able to kill them or not.

Austin wrote: "Lol the trial be like “your honor my drunk co-worker touched my butt so i stabbed him through the heart at the work outing.” Sounds like self defense to me."

no they did not rape you but they did touch you so a slap probably is enough

So kill them while in the act?

Well think of the family of the person who broke into your house too. That burglar had a mom and maybe it was their circumstances that made them break into your house. After all why would you equate their life with the stuff in your house?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "So kill them while in the act?"

This is assuming a woman CAN. Like. I don't think that is even possible because your priority is escape

if necessary, but not way after. key word- defense

MidnightButterfly wrote: "So kill them while in the act?"

yes bcs that's self defence against someone disrespecting your boundaries and rights as a human and possibly hurting you

well if theyre armed?

Well what is defense and what is murder? The scenario i gave the woman defended herself from the unwanted touch

How will you know if the person is armed unless they present the weapon? Police have been shot from guns in pockets before.

Austin wrote: "Well what is defense and what is murder? The scenario i gave the woman defended herself from the unwanted touch"

And we established that isnt enough to warrant murder

If there is a threat to your life
But does rape kill?

But what is the line between defense and murder?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "If there is a threat to your life
But does rape kill?"

well in some cases. i heard of this one cae (Idk where TvT) that this guy killed his victims (All women) while they were shopping dragged them behind stores raped them and shoved there groceries into them. so in some cases yes

MidnightButterfly wrote: "If there is a threat to your life
But does rape kill?"

also lots of people will hurt/drug the women (And some men) so that they dont fight back while being raped

No butthats rape and murder

MidnightButterfly wrote: "If there is a threat to your life
But does rape kill?"

if its just a threat and they dont or have not yet carried it out i dont think you can really do anything but you should definitely notify the police family friends so there aware of the situation

Yeah so most cases the women is drugged so cant figjt back
But even if she wasnt she probablh wouldnt be able to do anything

MidnightButterfly wrote: "No butthats rape and murder"

yes but im just giving examples where if you had to defend yourself and kill them you should be allowed to as self defence

Well if you are being killed ofc you shoukd kill back

But is rape on the same level as being killed?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Well if you are being killed ofc you shoukd kill back

But is rape on the same level as being killed?"

well as a human being you should have rights to your own body and if someone touches you and tresspasses on your own property (your body) i think you should have every right to kill them. especially if they hurt you

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?"

Personally if someone raped me, i would NOT forgive them

So if someone steals from you, you should kill them? Theft?

ˏˋ°•*⁀➷Chadlotteˏˋ°•*⁀➷ (Semi- Hiatus) wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?"

Personally if someone raped me, i would NOT forgive them"

What if there were circumstances around it not all rape is on the same level

How about maritial rape?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "ˏˋ°•*⁀➷Chadlotteˏˋ°•*⁀➷ (Semi- Hiatus) wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Also this is not black and white. What about forgiveness? What about redemption?"

Personally if someone raped me, i would N..."

What do you mean by that?

no not stealing

rape is horrific and i think is totally valid to use self defense and murder if neccesary