Project Mayhem discussion

not really...it's funny that they're getting so much from these experiments. They don't particularly prove that there is no free will, just that we're conditioned and hardwired to make a lot of presuppositions and unconscious choices.

For instance...If someone asks me what kind of sandwich I want, they can give me plenty of choices but I'll usually know which one I want before they even say it. So, once they say PB&J I can select that one. This isn't lack of free will, it's just my mind subconsciously validating which one I usually get or am most prone to selecting.

I bet if they did a similar experiment with children, especially babies...they would get a totally different view. And not just because their brain isn't fully developed.

You should really watch the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?" It really gets into this topic way more indepthly. The main jist of it is that our brain hardwires itself, but is totally reprogrammable. I think this capability to reprogram is definitely free will. The movie gets into how your hypothalymus releases chemicals that match your emotional state and that these chemicals bind with your cells in the same manor that heroine or sugar does. This make you almost physically addicted to different emotional states. That's why mean people usually stay mean, or people who like to feel sorry for themselves do things to keep promoting pity, etc.

But, when you recognize a better avenue, you can consciously will your subconscious out of that shit. The more you do, the less cell receptors your body will produce to accommodate those emotions, so you don't get the same "high" from them, and even the synapses in your brain that cause you to be prone to negative emotions and things you don't want, begin to unhinge and create new paths that promote whatever new thoughts you want to elicit.

OK..it's official...that's the next HW assignment, you guys! Watch that movie!

Also, you know I have to go there....but, I really like that they said "It is still completely unknown how 3lb of wet jelly, plus tiny electrical currents powered by the energy we release from our food, can give rise to consciousness. But it does." Because that's a huuuuge part of it. Most people consume sugar, white flour, alcohol, MSG, meat, soda, etc... All of these products are stimulants, depressants, constipators, exitotoxins, and drugs that tend to put your mind in submission. Anyone who's ever done a fast, eaten raw, or cut these things out of their diet for ANY length of time can attest to the huge difference they noticed in their clarity and self awareness.

That's why I tout raw even to happy healthy people because even they are usually shocked at the differences in mind frame that they attain. I'm sorry for getting back to the raw thing you ugys....I promise, I'm not trying to sell you a book or anything, LOL.

Your subconscious must have known I was gonna say that then!!

LOL, so when's a good day for you? Let's get a discussion going around that movie. It's so great!

Something told me to look at this thread. I wanna play too, please.;-) I won't be back until next week though. :-( And I need to watch the movie again as it has been a while since I saw it last.

I just want to know who that creepy guy is in the photo on that page. He doesn't look anything like the Charles Bronson I knew and loved.

Charles Bronson...now there was a guy who understood free will. You did something stupid, like rape and murder his family, he'd free will your ass six feet under in a hail of lead.

Although THAT Charles Bronson is undoubtedly the shit, I think the one in question is a British Psycho, lol.

I'll set an event date for not next Sunday, but the one after for 9 eastern...Lemmek know if that's cool before I do it.