My Adventures Through Theology and Beyond discussion

You mean how it's affected it?

Like do you think more violence happens or abortion are not a big deal in some place?

Evolution only affects someone's beliefs if they believe evolution.

Examples?

Some do. Hopefully not me. Have I treated you that way? (although you're not a scientist, neither am I)

Girl4beluga wrote: "Well it seems that now people who are creationists seem to look down on scientists who study evolution and so on as complete atheists who have no moral values."

That's what it SEEMS to you but they aren't they pity them

Some might. I leave room for flaws in people, knowing that I have plenty myself. ;-)

Pansy wrote: "Some might. I leave room for flaws in people, knowing that I have plenty myself. ;-)"

Same here!!!!!!! Though we weren't supposed to have any in the bginning.

Girl4beluga wrote: "God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "Well it seems that now people who are creationists seem to look down on scientists who study evolution and so on as complete atheists who have no moral..."

They believe they are wrong..

Girl4beluga wrote: "Pansy wrote: "Some do. Hopefully not me. Have I treated you that way? (although you're not a scientist, neither am I)"

No........you one of the more sane ones hear."

Thanks...and please don't judge us all by the same extremist standard...I don't think that (as a rule) we've been doing that to you...

Girl4beluga wrote: "what I am not...I judge everyone sane level individually (that was a joke)."

LOL

Girl4beluga wrote: "God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "Well it seems that now people who are creationists seem to look down on scientists who study evolution an..."

Please don't be so sarcastic.

Okay, sometimes I do the same thing. ;-) Let me know if I am.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Um....well...what do you think evolution has done to modern theology?"

Evolution has given us the ability to do theology. The theory of evolution has challenged theology to do a better job of talking about God.

Angus wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "Um....well...what do you think evolution has done to modern theology?"

Evolution has given us the ability to do theology. The theory of evolution has challenged theology to ..."

I'm not sure what yoy mean by "giving us the ability to 'do' theology", but I agree that it has challenged believers to express themselves better. There will always be things like that.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Well it seems that now people who are creationists seem to look down on scientists who study evolution and so on as complete atheists who have no moral values."

Science actually completely disproves evolution, sweetheart.

For one, the high information content of DNA is great evidence against evolution. Did you know that a pinhead of DNA has a billion times more information capacity than a 4-gigabit hard drive. What evolutionary science says that all this information was random, like getting a group of monkeys together and give them typewriters and get Shakespearean writing from them.

Prove that evolution is true.

I'm asking you to give me a definiton and why it is true that tells me nothing.

Evolution.

uh yeah. that's what she meant.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Yes I did. Your point???????"

So your saying that that all this info was randomly placed to make you or me. That is my point.

Girl4beluga wrote: "well considering who my mother decided to take half his genes from.............

If you are asking me if I think evolution is a random process? yes and No"

mostly yes.

So a single cell to millons of cells by chance?

Your argument is extreeeeeeemely vague

the chance of all of this in the universe being created by pure chance is the probability of ten rubix cubes being solved by 100 blind people, each of them making five random moves (or something to that effect). You get what I mean.

I got that from a class that I'm taking at my church on different world views. I didn't just make it up. I don't do that with my beliefs unlike some people. I can't believe that you have a problem with me potentially making up things, but everything you've based your life on has been made up besides the fact that there is a God. Hypocrite.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Did you make it up or did you get that from somewhere?"

One in 10 to the power of 68.

yup, something like that.

A 1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance. And yes I did count out 69 zeroes.

That isn't something that someone made up. I'm trying to find my place in this world, but not religiously.

I haven't got it comepletely figured out. I have a ton to learn and find out, but I know that I want to be a Christian. I'm comfortable with that fact and where I am. I've read the Bible and I KNOW that it doesn't contridict itself once, so I rather believe in that than anything else.

As an example, scientists who believe in evolution hypothesize that the whale evolved from a hyena, cat or hippo. So if you want to be scientific, then here is the likelihood of a hyena evolving into a whale. Mathematical equation:

# of body changes x # of new proteins needed per change x # of amino acids in each new protein x 3 new letters of DNA needed for each new amino acid added = total # of DNA letters that must be added

9 body changes x 1 new protein per change x 100 amino acids per new protein x 3 letters of DNA for each new amino acid added = 2,700 DNA letters

Since DNA is comprised of only four letters, the odds of adding the correct single letter of DNA for any one position on the DNA strand are one out of four. The odds then of adding 2,700 new letters of DNA would be 1/4 times 1/4 times 1/4 and so on, 2,700 times. (which is 1/4 to the 2,700th power)

Is this scientific enough for you?

So, the odds of a hyena becoming a whale by random mutations are one out of 364 followed by 1,625 zeros.

more than
364,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

So yes. The argument would be probability.

That's actually really interesting! I need to right that down...:D

Haha yes, you should :D Oh but btw, I didn't do the math myself, it's from EVOLUTION: The Grand Experiment bye Dr. Carl Werner :)

Do you want us to find the exact probabilities for every possible evolution example?

Well, for starters, if you believe in evolution then you have to believe that a whale evolved from one cell, whatever came in between. And let's see, the exact probability has gotta have a LOT of zeros.

Girl4beluga wrote: "of course, I never thought you would...however if he thought a hyena would evolve into a whale..then he doesn't understand evolution at all."

Okay, then you tell me exactly how evolution occurred.

Girl4beluga wrote: "No but that one is completely inaccurate.

Well once it starts it doesn't matter."

How do you know it's inaccurate? Show me the flaw?

But once it starts, the odds are the same.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Sandy wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "of course, I never thought you would...however if he thought a hyena would evolve into a whale..then he doesn't understand evolution at all."

Okay, then you tell ..."

If you are so convicted that whales did NOT evolve from hyenas, then tell me where you do think they came from.

Girl4beluga wrote: "WTF do i just need to post the evolution time line"

Well obviously wehaven't gone to a really weird church and learned about evolution and a God who doesn't care what anyone does.

THIS SITE IS SO WEIRD!!!!!!!!! AND IT'S STUPID WELL HOW DID HE THINK OF THAT? I WONDER LET"S SEE.....SATAN OBVIOUSLY LIKES THE IDEA OF THEIR BEING NO CREATOR GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Girl4beluga wrote: "Why??? It was probably a college project or something.....

"SATAN OBVIOUSLY LIKES THE IDEA OF THEIR BEING NO CREATOR GOD!!!!!!!!!!!"

O wow now you are calling it Satan's works wow...okay this is..."

If you believed in the Bible and actually knew about Satan then you wouldn't be saying that..

I'm glad I made your day and that you laughed out loud at God's teachings...


Wow how scornful to think that God's teachings aren't real..

And you can't say I'm not true....because God doesn't care what we think so I may(in you standards) be right.

Girl4beluga wrote: "because a hyena would not evolve into a whale and if it did the whale would also be evolving so the math would have to include that . "

If a hyena is evolving into a whale, the whale is just the result and it wouldn't be evolving.

Girl4beluga wrote: "but a hyena (today) couldn't evolve into a whale like whales are today."

If it's a series of random mutations, then anything could evolve into anything, right?

Girl4beluga wrote: "http://www.johnkyrk.com/evolution.html

THIS SITE IS SO COOL!!!!! and it is a time line"

Go from 800 millon to 553,000,000 and look at the cells. How did this become a trilobites?

So jellyfish came before, the trilobites?

I thought jellyfish don't have bones, so how do they have fossils?

Okay you're always demanding proof, how do you know any of this?

Plants have fiber, jellyfish are made up out of 95% water.