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I don't think anyone will be saying censorship is a good thing, actually...

There are two kinds. Visual censorship, like sex and blurring the mouth so you don't know what cuss word is being said, and then there's the censorship Tenebris just exampled in message 1.

To me, if you are going to censor it, don't say or show it at all.

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "To me, if you are going to censor it, don't say or show it at all."

Yessssss I completely agree! What's the use, if you're going to cut it out anyway?

Exactly. Why do you want to show that stuff anyway? Its like porn on TV.

Ew...please no. If movies are rated so kids can't see nudity, why would it make sense to show them that on TV where sometimes their parents aren't there to turn it off? It makes no sense...

I can understand swearing on TV, to a certain extent, but please no sex scenes. Especially not really graphic ones.

I know right. Jersey Shore for example.

I haven't seen Jersey Shore...but god can I imagine. Or in this case, don't want to imagine.

I don't have cable TV. I only watch stuff on Hulu and Netflix, so I *choose* what I want to watch. Problem solved.

I have my own radio show slot at a college radio, and since it used to be a very religious school (it's still a private college) you can only say "damn" or "hell." Not even "god damn" or anything "worse" than that. Usually I won't play the song in question. If I really want to play it, I'll censor it, but it hurts to mess with the original work. It's like spray painting a valuable piece of art, in my mind. A lot of people can still guess what the word is, and others can say that the song makes more sense when the word is left in. Sometimes I will do a rushed censor job and the song doesn't sound as fluid anymore.

then dont play it, dangit.

Some songs help other songs transition. You wouldn't know ..

Perhaps, but if it doesn't sound good with all the bleeps then what's the point of playing a song that doesn't sound good? I know it's harder than it sounds, but I'm just saying...

That is true. Usually I'll still play it if it is just one word. Even in that case, I find a way to make it sound more natural or even play an instrumental version. But it's not the same thing ..

If it's really that bad of a song, then I won't play it. I usually avoid songs with language anyway.

Ah. That makes some sense. But I don't really understand the concept of bleeping out songs on a college radio (colleges...as in adults go to college...not middle or high schoolers).

Eh, like I said, it used to be a religious school, and it's still private, so I have to follow their rules.

Now, if I had a show past 10:00pm, then I could have all the fun I wanted :-P

Oh I know you do, but I personally don't get it at all...

I think I'd watch that show, really.

It's a radio show, so no visuals >_<

It would still be an interesting show, yes xP

If you want, here is the section of my blog where all of my shows are logged digitally to give a taste of what I play:
http://n-epoap0radio.blogspot.com

Aw man :(

Thanks for the link...but it's not working :(

Lemme try again:

http://n-epoap0radio.blogspot.com

I'm against censorship completely. If you're going to swear put it in the rating of the work, if their will be nudity put it in the rating of it. Then people will have nothing to complain about if they see it. Don't blur it out or bleep it out, that's defacing the work.

I think censorship is appropriate in some situations. On TV I think it makes the most sense because, say, on reality shows no one ever knows what the people are going to say––so whether they swear is beyond the producer's control. And you don't want 3-year-old kids turning on the TV and being like "Ooh what's this?" only to hear a whole stream of cursing.

However, I'm against book banning, since so many books are banned just because they concern serious issues. I think such issues should be handled carefully and that in most cases swearing should be used sparingly, but I think kids should be exposed to such issues.

Like Brigid, I think censorship is definitely alright in some cases. Like on TV, I remember when I was nine of something and was flipping through channels and stumbled on this movie of a guy undressing a girl under a tree, and it was just gross. I didn't want to see that, and I think that the channel people should pay a little more attention to that, since you have no clue who'll be looking. You can't expect a parent to look over their kid's shoulder whenever they turn on the TV.

As for book censorship, I think it's okay to ban certain things in middle and elementary schools. Another example, I picked up a Christopher Pike book for an English project in sixth grade that ended up having detailed sex scenes that made me incredibly uncomfortable; though I couldn't switch books since it was much too late. I don't think books like that should have been available to me in middle school. However, in high school, I do think kids are old enough to make their own decisions about what they're going to read (though I am against teachers selecting mature content books for English--that happened to me last year, and it was also just...bad.)

And, you know, if something is made for TV, of course they shouldn't put strong cursing in the script. You know it'll be blurred, for all the reasons in the first paragraph. Just because SOME people are okay with that kind of immorality doesn't mean parents want their kids accidentally seeing or hearing it.

Tenebris In Lux wrote: "Some songs help other songs transition. You wouldn't know .."

Yeah I wouldn't... :)

Cody wrote: "I'm against censorship completely. If you're going to swear put it in the rating of the work, if their will be nudity put it in the rating of it. Then people will have nothing to complain about if ..."

What if you are flipping htrough the channels? Some people dont want to hear ANY of it.

Thalia wrote: "Like Brigid, I think censorship is definitely alright in some cases. Like on TV, I remember when I was nine of something and was flipping through channels and stumbled on this movie of a guy undres..."

I kind of had a similar experience in sixth grade. I had to select and read a book for English for a project, and I ended up choosing a book that had a lot of violence and swearing and several rather detailed rape scenes in it. I hadn't known it was an adult book when I picked it up, and it was too late to change my mind.

I'm not angry that the book was available at my middle school really, but maybe the library should have done a better job separating YA books from adult books.

Again, before I choose a book I want to read, I like to read some summaries about it. Usually some review sites might say possible warnings, etc.

I, for one, have nothing against semi-erotica or similar subject matter, but I *would* find it a little awkward if I were reading it for school rather than on my own time.

@LuhvBooks, you really shouldn't care, it's just a bad stigma, they're only words.

Fuck, shit, damn, Jesus CHRIST, Oh my fucking GOD, etc :P

:-P

Wow, Cody. Way to be respectful. :P

I DID read the summary of this particular book. And it was recommended to those who read the Fear Street series, which I do/did. The summary was the exact same murder mystery sort of thing I was used to reading, except Pike added in the sex that Stein never did. And it did irk me that it was available in a library for 11-13 year olds.

With those books, there is usually some parental guidance involved.

Actually, on another group in Goodreads (I think it was a banned book group), there was a really intriguing discussion: is young adult (YA) fiction too dark?

Personally, if you don't want to read it, then don't read it. There is no need to remove it from the shelves if just one person (or certain said group) is not happy with it. I know several (not all of them are, but several) mature twelve and thirteen-year-olds who could handle that sort of thing. Sex happens and it's a part of life. Why keep them in the dark about that sort of thing? Just because they read about it doesn't mean they will do it. Other Young Adult fiction books might also deal with sticky subjects in today's modern world like cutting or teen pregnancy. I know the first YA romance novel I read was I was probably 11 or 12 myself (questionable due to the sexual content), I thought, Wow, I feel that way sometimes too!. No, I didn't go off and have sex. But it helped me realize that I wasn't alone, struggling to know my feelings.

Anyhow.

Also, I learned some of the major curse words in elementary school. I didn't wish to learn them so early, but hey, public school :-P

Quite frankly if you're learning about sex through books over just being in a public school, their is a problem in your social life.

Please do not use the phrasing "mature twelve and thirteen year holds who could handle it." I am very mature, and because sex scenes make me uncomfortable has no effect on how adult I am. I was incredibly mature as a twelve year old; moreso than basically anybody else that I knew. Because I choose not to participate in that sort of thing does not effect my maturity level.

And there is no problem with my social life because my morals are different than yours.

I think what Cody meant was that if you go to a public high school, you're going to hear about this stuff all the time anyway. It has nothing to do with your morals. It's just everywhere.

Okay..? I still don't understand the phrasing there.

Yeah Brigid you got it... Hmm I'll try and explain.


What I'm saying is if you're in a public school you will probably hear and learn more about sex then you would just by reading a dirty book. Unless of course you are asocial and don't talk to people.

Actually, I just hang out with people who don't say or do stuff like that. I pick friends who have about the same morals as I do, so...I suppose I'm just the out of the norm.

Well I haven't ever met someone like that in my school, quite frankly I just don't joke about bodily functions like sex often but my friends do. (and 95% of them are Christian)

Well, to be honest, that's a poor example of a Christian. Some of my friends aren't even Christian or religious; they just don't say or do stuff like that.

My opinion on censorship is that is should not be used all that often.

Like with sexual stuff, as you guys are mentioning, or nudity. Why does it matter to censor it? It's just the human body. I don't see the point to hide this from younger kids. It's just things that we do. I realize not making jokes like these because they're obscene, but I don't see why we should censor ourselves if we wish to say something about it.

I don't believe in censorship as a whole. I was watching R rated movies when I was 6, reading controversial books when I was 7, just because my parents didn't withhold them from me. I find that to be an important part of what I've turned out to be, because I honestly don't care about any of it. I knew what a blowjob was by the time I was 8 but it didn't affect me in any way.
But that might be a bad thing too, not caring, so I guess it could go either ways.

Then again I was raised to not really censor kids from anything, so I probably sound slightly mad to some of you.

You're lucky Maria... I barely understood sex till the 6th grade... My dad never told me anything, he left it up to the school.

Cody wrote: "You're lucky Maria... I barely understood sex till the 6th grade... My dad never told me anything, he left it up to the school."

Ha, my parents pretty much did the same thing to me. And then the rest I learned from books and movies and whatnot. O_o

Yeah...

Same here!
Well, they didn't tell me anything straightforward but it's not like I never heard them say anything sexual.

Cody wrote: "@LuhvBooks, you really shouldn't care, it's just a bad stigma, they're only words.

Fuck, shit, damn, Jesus CHRIST, Oh my fucking GOD, etc :P"

You are so immature.

And totally cool *sarcasm

And sarcasm is mature? Haha.

@Luhvbooks, I was just messing around, showing how much I really don't care about censorship. I'm not being immature.

Well, it might have offended people. And it was very disrespectful to me and Thalia and others who don't really like hearing those kinds of things.

Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "And sarcasm is mature? Haha."

Sarcasm is genius' humor. :P

I take pride in my sarcasm. Besides, I wasn't randomly cussing in a disrespectful manner. That's immature. Clearly, to get my point across, cussing isn't cool For me. So if he was trying to look or sound "cool", I was telling him that he wasn't.

I was annoyed by his comment.

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "Well, it might have offended people. And it was very disrespectful to me and Thalia and others who don't really like hearing those kinds of things."

Bah you think I care? Quite frankly I don't, it was a bloody joke, and as it's my group I have no rule against cussing. I was doing it to have some fun and make a joke/point not to offend anyone, grow some thicker skin because quite frankly I don't care.

Whatever. -.-

Seems like you don't care about anyone but yourself.