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message 1: by Ms. Flagg (new)

Ms. Flagg (missflagg) | 15 comments Mod
Do you agree/disagree with Cherry's statement, "Things are rough all over"?

Consider:
-Do you think that people, regardless of their background, struggle or have problems?
-Did Cherry have a right to say this?


message 2: by Madison (new)

Madison jean philippe | 11 comments I agree with Cherry and I feel she does have a right to say it. I agree with Cherry becasue their is no where perfect with a white picket fence, green grass and perfect little houses. If there were the people who live in those home have their own problems. People all over the world are faced with challenges and problems they must face. Their is poverty, bullying, abuse, neglect, violence and much more that is happening all over the world. It is "rough all over" and people have their own problems. Then I feel Cherry does have a right because she is soc and the soc boys aren't the greatest. They drink and act crazy and wild. Also we don't know how Cherry's home is like. It may be even worse than Ponyboy's in the sense of communication strictness. Maybe Cherry gets abused and hit and cursed all the time and may just not know it. It is rough all over and there is no where with the perfect white picket fence.


message 3: by Ronnye (new)

Ronnye G | 13 comments I kind of agree with Cherry's statement which is, "Things are rough all over." The fact is that i kind of don't think that rich people have problems or at least some meaningful problems. Sure their problems might be like,"Oh I didn't get my favorite sweater from Milan," or "I just want people to say 'no' to me." Things like that make me say "Come on really? Is that really a big problem?" Its just so child like for the rich people to be complaining and also unrealistic. I mean I do agree with the fact that everyone has problems, but is it meaningful? Is it really something that important? Or something childish. Personally I think rich people or the Socs have it all. I think that their problems are not so big compared to the greasers who have basically nothing. Cherry did have a right to say this if she meant like they actually had problems because everyone has problems. But I do not think that the Socs problems are that big.


message 4: by Aren (new)

Aren Marfey | 13 comments I think that Cherry is correct, and i agree with her, because both gangs have a lot of trouble with themselves and they all have their own personal problems. The Greasers have a hard life for example Johnny gets beaten by his drunk parents all the time and Pony, Soda, and Dally are living with no parents which is very hard because they need to pay for food and everything to live. The Soc's are bored out of their minds they have nothing better to do besides getting into trouble. Also the people who are not in either gang will be affected because they are living in a community with two bad gangs and both gangs strongly affect the community.


message 5: by Sadie (new)

Sadie Hechkoff (sadiehechkoff) | 13 comments I agree with Cherry's statement, "things are rough all over." I think everyone has problems, no matter how rich you are. Just because you have money doesn't automatically mean that you have no problems. I think that Cherry did have the right to say this. I think that because she even says that the Soc's have problems too. Though they have money, they still have problems. I think there's so many kinds of problems. Family problems, health problems, job problems, life problems. There's also money problems, but people that are rich don't have money problems, but they can still have all these other types of problems. Though I think that the Greasers have worse problems than the Socs in this situation, I can't just assume that.


message 6: by Lydia (new)

Lydia I agree with Cherry's statement "Things are rough all over". I agree with Cherry's statement because the Socs are humans too and they aren't perfect. In fact they probably have to work even harder then everybody else because of who they are. The Socs have to keep their image up, grades, as well as keeping their families happy too since they all have planned futures out for them. People of all kind have troubles of their own as well, so why can't the Socs have them too, the only thing that separates the Socs and Greasers is money. Just because the Socs have everything the Greasers could ever want; it doesn't mean that life makes any easier for them. The Socs can have family problems just like the Greasers but their problems can be hidden beneath the surface too.

I think that people regardless of their background can have struggles and problems. The reason why they should be able to have problems is because someone may have more but it doesn't mean that they want it or like what comes along with it. I think that Cherry had a right to say this because maybe she has problems too. She might have to work harder than everybody else including the Greasers because her parents expect more from her because she has had everything she has always wanted. Or maybe she has family problems too. For instance the Greasers are all they have left so they stick together; however, maybe Cherry's family members aren't as close and always try to bring each other down to prove that they're richer then the rest to show that they're more superior. Also because of her background she isn't allowed to have the friends that she wants and isn't allowed to talk to the people she wants to in public because of their background and of what people would think about her, including her parents.


message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

I agree with Cherry's statement because once I thought about the the problems the Greasers have and the Socs have they are actually quite similar. Despite whatever you come from that does't mean you will go through problems along the way. Some of the similarities I have figured out was that the home environment. The parents of the Greasers are drunk, abusive, and uncaring. We don't know yet the home environment of the Socs but since they are rich probably the parents don't care because they need to keep making more money. Another thing is that people have their own thoughts about the Greasers and the Socs. For the Greasers people yell out "Greasers!", probably think are hoods, and just bad boys. For the Socs from the Greasers perspective they think they are ELITE. Even though those are two examples still that shows that even though both parties come from different backgrounds they have similar problems. Cherry has a right to say this because nobody is perfect despite how much money they have. However I don't think their problems are as serious as the Greasers because for what they go through that is rough all over. With the Socs here and there can be rough, but we just have to read further in the book. Hey, we never know.


Sebastianlikespie13 | 10 comments I think Cherry did have a right of saying this because there are always going to be some sort of troubles no matter who you are with. maby they have family troubles or alcohol troubles or just need something to do to keep their minds off of something else. It is literally impossible to not have any problem whether big or small and so the soc's most likely do have a lot of problems. The Greasers think they have it hard and they do most likely harder than the soc's but that does not necessarily mean that the soc's don't have it hard because they do and there are problems that Greasers can't understand or know about so Cherry can indeed say that.


message 9: by Zizzo (new)

Zizzo | 7 comments I think Cherry has a right to say this. She has a right to share her point of view on something such as this, it's an important view all right. I think she has a right to express her feelings on something that may be bothering her, she has the right to share her thoughts on something that she wants to people to know. I think she wanted people to know Her point of view of this whole situation with the Socs, Greasers, all the conflict, fighting, pain.
I definitely agree with this quote from Cherry. It's a very true, well said statement on the greasers, Socs, and the gang life in general. "Things are rough all over." The brutal fights, (one which resulted in the Socs beating Johnny half to death). Their relationships with their family members... (Ponyboy and Darry). All the troublemaking, the troubled lives of all of these kids. It truly is rough all over, in every way. I absolutely agree with Cherry.


message 10: by Anthony (last edited Mar 06, 2012 01:24PM) (new)

Anthony Z | 12 comments Great I'm the ninth person writing a post today. I agree with Cherry because nothing is perfect in life. Theres poverty, violence, abuse, and much more. If life was so perfect there probably wouldn't be jail, criminals, and everybody will have a perfect life. Everybody has something in their lives that they don't like, but they have to face their fears. Cherry did have the right to say this. The socs aren't perfect. Ponyboy may not believe this because he is a greaser. His whole life are filled with problems. He believes that only the greasers have the toughest life in the whole entire world.


message 11: by Kameron (new)

Kameron Dixey | 6 comments I agree with Cherry's statement. I also believe that she had the right to say that. Just because you have a money doesn't mean things aren't "Rough all over". Everyone has problems. The age, race and amount of money has nothing to do with anything. I do think people regardless of their struggle or background have problems.


message 12: by Aidan Farrell (new)

Aidan Farrell | 10 comments I think that she sort of has the right to say that. I think this way because I bet in Cherry's eyes things are rough but compared to the greasers they are nothing. The thing is, Cherry does not know how rough the greasers get it so to her if she knew that, she would never say something like that. If Cherry was in a greasers shoes she would know what they feel like and she would know how easy she gets it.


message 13: by Dylan T (new)

Dylan T (dylant) | 11 comments I think Cherry is correct because she is saying from her perspective that it is rough from all over. Even if you are from all different backrounds you can still have problems. Also, Cherry did have a right to say this to prove her point and show to Ponyboy that she was serious to say that. Cherry wanted to stick up for herself too. Cherry was right to say that as well.


message 14: by Jamie (new)

Jamie G | 12 comments I agree with this quote because not everything is easily categorized, everything has a gray area. I think regardless of ones background they have multiple struggles and conflicts. Conflicts can stem from ones background but problems come along with everyday life, whether its school, family, work, etc. Cherry did have a right to say this because she knew that no matter what background or race everyone has issues with themselves or with other people.


message 15: by Guillar (new)

Guillar K. | 10 comments I don't really know if i agree with Cherry's statement. I think this because I don't really know the soc's life style so i can't really judge them. However based on my prior knowledge I would say that i do agree because in everybody's life there are up's and down's. Depending on Cherry's tone in the book it sounds like they probably have a lot or pressure because if the high expectations from everybody.


message 16: by Gameassassin1020 (last edited Mar 05, 2012 07:33PM) (new)

Gameassassin1020 (goodreadscomgameasassin1020) | 7 comments Yes, I think Cherry was right to say it was rough all over, because it just is. As humans we always have problems no matter rich or poor, tall or small you will because you avoided a problem to get to where you are or you are in one and have to get out it will return to you . You could be rich and lose all your business and if your poor that's already a problem so if your human you are bound to have problems.


message 17: by Olivia (new)

Olivia | 10 comments I agree with Cherry's comment "Things are rough all over". I agree with this statement because I think that from a very young age, we all learned that life is not perfect. Nobody is perfect and life is not only big fairytale. That is why I agree with Cherry's statement that no matter what you have in life, whether it be money or friends nobodies life is perfect and I think that in some ways, Ponyboy believes that the Socs lives are perfect. But I think that if people need to carry around switchblades and jump random people that are minding their own business then the Socs lives are probably far from perfect. I think that what Cherry said is basically saying that things are rough all over and there is no place or no one that are "smooth" or perfect. But I cannot help thinking that since everybody's not perfect, isn't that what makes us all the same?


message 18: by Luca (new)

Luca | 13 comments Cherry was right to say that it was rough all over, but she shouldn't have even compared her struggle to Ponyboys struggle. Ponyboy has no parents, no money, and he is so close to losing the only thing that he has, his brothers. Cherry is mad because she has to much and she doesn't know what to do with all the stuff she has. Her type of rough is whe she hurts her reputation by talking to a greaser. Ponyboy's type of rough is when someone gets jumped or killed.


message 19: by Emily (new)

Emily Ravaschiere | 9 comments Cherry is in the Socs group, a group of people who aren’t left out, and they do have a lot of money. The Greasers are outsiders that don’t have money, and they are left out. The Socs are rich kids, and the Greasers are poor kids. Cherry thinks that it is rough for the Socs (rich kids), and the Greasers (poor kids). I disagree with Cherry’s opinion because I don’t think that the Socs (rich kids) have a bad life. They have a lot of money, cars, clothes, and other things. They get to make better choices because of their privileges. I think the Greasers have a bad life because there is no money, cars, clothes, or other things. The Socs’ life was better because they got to do whatever they want, so they got to drive cars and go crazy. The Greasers had to do work and do chores to survive and have food, water, and homes. The Socs already had food, water, and homes. I disagree with Cherry when she said, “Things are rough all over” because the Socs have a lot of money and people with a lot of money have problems, but the Greasers have bigger problems and have a rough life.


message 20: by [deleted user] (last edited Mar 06, 2012 09:59AM) (new)

I agree with Cherry’s statement that things are rough all over. I think this because despite people’s backgrounds and where people come from and how they are raised, they still experience problems like everyone else, not only about her background. Cherry had a right to say this because she is part of this quote herself. She is a Soc girl and people make assumptions that she has everything just because she is rich. However, this is not the case. She experiences problems such as her drunk boyfriend, people making negative assumptions about her, and more. Thus, I agree with Cherry’s statement.


message 21: by Alice (new)

Alice Chen | 12 comments I agree with Cherry's statement because I think that everyone has have struggles in their lives before. Being a different race and having more money than others doesn't mean that they wouldn't have problems either. I think that many of the greasers would think that the Socs in general have everything they need because they are high class. Cherry could have problems keeping up to the Socs standards because everyone expect so much from her. She can't be seen with greasers because she is "better" than them.


message 22: by Max B (new)

Max B | 13 comments I agree with Cherry's statement about things being rough all over. When she says this in the book, Ponyboy is complaining to her about how rough his life is and all the struggles he and the other greasers have to go through because they are not as wealthy as the Socs. The Socs are wealthier than the greasers and don't have to worry about the same things that the greasers do but she has her own personal problems that may be just as rough as Pony's problems. While Pony and the greasers have to worry about staying out of jail, the Socs have to worry about their parents not figuring out about the bottom of the lake parties or the fact that Cherry's boyfriend is an obnoxious drunk. That's why I agree with Cherry's argument.


message 23: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca (beckyboo13) | 13 comments I WAS ABSENT
I disagree with cherry's statement, although the book seemsto be going down hill for everyone, there is always something good so it's not entirely rough all over. I diffidently think people of any race/ background have problems. Problems come with being human being not necessarily being or having a certain background. Cherry completely had the right to say that because from her prospect things are rough BUT not all over. There is always bright side in every situation.


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