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Gee
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Consciousness began between 1400 and 600 B.C., Jaynes concludes, with its first explicit dictum to be found in the personage of Solon of Athens, who is attributed to have first advised:
“Know thy self.” With Solon, says Jaynes: “Suddenly we are in the modern subjective stage”
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“Know thy self.” With Solon, says Jaynes: “Suddenly we are in the modern subjective stage”
Gee
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Jaynes distinguishes between instrumental or short-term deceit and long-term deceit, which he defines as treachery. This distinction is important, since chimpanzees have been observed engaging in the former but not the latter.
Long-term deceit requires a time orientation and introspection. Animals and bicameral man, says Jaynes, cannot engage in the latter
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Long-term deceit requires a time orientation and introspection. Animals and bicameral man, says Jaynes, cannot engage in the latter
Gee
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In the Iliad, there is no volition, no free will, no
soul, no plans, no motivations, few abstract nouns, and no ego; there was no private ambition, no private grudges, no private frustrations. It is
significant, too, that in the Iliad there are no secrets, falsehood, or deceit.
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soul, no plans, no motivations, few abstract nouns, and no ego; there was no private ambition, no private grudges, no private frustrations. It is
significant, too, that in the Iliad there are no secrets, falsehood, or deceit.
Gee
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The development of consciousness allows people to reflect upon their actions, to narrate and
temporalize those actions, and to realize that those actions may have moral significance.
The tasting of consciousness, then, Jaynes understands as an essentially linguistic event
and, like the tasting of good and evil, an irrevocable one
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temporalize those actions, and to realize that those actions may have moral significance.
The tasting of consciousness, then, Jaynes understands as an essentially linguistic event
and, like the tasting of good and evil, an irrevocable one
Gee
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It is significant that the signature test for theory-of-mind is the false belief test, that is, the
ability to conceptualize other people in terms of beliefs that are wrong, that do not comport
with reality. There are even versions of the false belief test that directly involve deception, such as the Deceptive-Pointing Task, which follows the same developmental curve as other theory-of-mind capacities.
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ability to conceptualize other people in terms of beliefs that are wrong, that do not comport
with reality. There are even versions of the false belief test that directly involve deception, such as the Deceptive-Pointing Task, which follows the same developmental curve as other theory-of-mind capacities.
Gee
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with the clash of cultures toward the end of the
second millennium B.C.E., along with other factors that Jaynes mentions, such
as the invention of writing, there would have been social selective pressure to
evolve a more flexible and reliable way to predict and interpret the behavior
of other people
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second millennium B.C.E., along with other factors that Jaynes mentions, such
as the invention of writing, there would have been social selective pressure to
evolve a more flexible and reliable way to predict and interpret the behavior
of other people
Gee
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classical scholars, along with
Julian Jaynes, have
puzzled over the absence of mental state terms in the ancient literature. But by the
middle of the first millennium B.C.E. we see writings featuring very
modern-sounding individuals complete with a wide range of mental state terms. This
shift in the literary record supports Jaynes’s theory of the collapse of bicameral
civilizations
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Julian Jaynes, have
puzzled over the absence of mental state terms in the ancient literature. But by the
middle of the first millennium B.C.E. we see writings featuring very
modern-sounding individuals complete with a wide range of mental state terms. This
shift in the literary record supports Jaynes’s theory of the collapse of bicameral
civilizations
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studies have shown that theory-of-mind performance can be predicted by the
number of older siblings living in the household
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number of older siblings living in the household
Gee
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the history of the last five
hundred years is a history of adjustment to the loss of bicameral authorization entirely,
a loss speeded by the growth of science, itself a result of the evolution of
consciousness. But it has been in the last two hundred years especially that the
loss has become most overt. The self, still unprepared, must now take
everything on itself, for the gods and Muses alike have disappeared
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hundred years is a history of adjustment to the loss of bicameral authorization entirely,
a loss speeded by the growth of science, itself a result of the evolution of
consciousness. But it has been in the last two hundred years especially that the
loss has become most overt. The self, still unprepared, must now take
everything on itself, for the gods and Muses alike have disappeared
Noah Damski
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“The Aztecs called the place Teotihuacan, burial place of kings; the ancients said: he who has died became a god.”
The crux of this book so far is that the current state of our brains is not how it has always been; there was a time in which the right and left hemispheres of the brain could not recognize each other and so one’s thoughts were not recognized as coming from within.
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The crux of this book so far is that the current state of our brains is not how it has always been; there was a time in which the right and left hemispheres of the brain could not recognize each other and so one’s thoughts were not recognized as coming from within.
Noah Damski
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I wanna branch out from American novelists and read educational topics but when I read this stuff I go through pages without understanding what I’ve just read.
One thing I picked up from reading history is to read from secondary authors rather than primary authors—journalists and professors rather than historians. So I’m trying this with psychology now, every chapter here is an opinion on Jaynes’ thoughts.
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One thing I picked up from reading history is to read from secondary authors rather than primary authors—journalists and professors rather than historians. So I’m trying this with psychology now, every chapter here is an opinion on Jaynes’ thoughts.







