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M&E's dichotomy of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie makes me think: was there not even a concept of the middle class in M&E's time?
2 things to think about:
i) M&E explicitly discuss the small business owner. This class owns capital, they hire labour, they are definitely capitalists in their own right. But M&E claim that over time, even this class will get subsumed into the proletariat, because they ...
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M&E's dichotomy of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie makes me think: was there not even a concept of the middle class in M&E's time?
2 things to think about:
i) M&E explicitly discuss the small business owner. This class owns capital, they hire labour, they are definitely capitalists in their own right. But M&E claim that over time, even this class will get subsumed into the proletariat, because they ...
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Isaac Chan
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Furthermore, M&E's sweeping, oversimplified narrative of how the totality of history's classes have now subsumed into the bourgeoisie and the proletariat seem as un-nuanced as Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom'.
— Apr 01, 2026 06:22AM
Furthermore, M&E's sweeping, oversimplified narrative of how the totality of history's classes have now subsumed into the bourgeoisie and the proletariat seem as un-nuanced as Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom'.
Isaac Chan
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ideas of liberty and equality. Without ideas, materialist forces (such as Piketty's r > g) can only form economic PHENOMENA (such as capitalists becoming increasingly richer than labourers) but cannot trigger class struggle. I also do not understand why Marx posited materialism when key Marxist concepts like class consciousness seem fundamentally idealist.
— Apr 01, 2026 06:22AM
ideas of liberty and equality. Without ideas, materialist forces (such as Piketty's r > g) can only form economic PHENOMENA (such as capitalists becoming increasingly richer than labourers) but cannot trigger class struggle. I also do not understand why Marx posited materialism when key Marxist concepts like class consciousness seem fundamentally idealist.
Isaac Chan
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Marx and Engels (henceforth 'M&E') say that the history of mankind is the history of class struggle. If so, is it not clear that the history of class struggle is rooted in the idealist Dialectic? Do M&E think that class struggles are purely rooted in materialism? How is it possible for classes to struggle without priority in ideas? In my view, a slave will only revolt against his master if he first had ...
— Apr 01, 2026 06:21AM
Marx and Engels (henceforth 'M&E') say that the history of mankind is the history of class struggle. If so, is it not clear that the history of class struggle is rooted in the idealist Dialectic? Do M&E think that class struggles are purely rooted in materialism? How is it possible for classes to struggle without priority in ideas? In my view, a slave will only revolt against his master if he first had ...
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I have come to believe that capital is extremely heterogeneous. The fact that the median small business owner earns modest amounts (an extremely unscientific research attempt, i.e. a cursory Google search, says that the median small business owner's salary in Kuala Lumpur is RM69k a year) tells me that owners of TRADITIONAL capital have lagged behind top employees at large firms. According to the Fed's Survey of Consumer Finances ('SCF') and Financial Accounts of the US (I read the 2021:Q1 report a while back), they write: 'there is a clear ordering in the exposure of equity holdings among the (income) groups'. The top 1% hold nearly half of their portfolio in corporate equities and mutual funds (btw, I would presume this means INDEX mutual funds, but I don't know). The bottom 50% hold half their portfolio in real estate (but of course, this is just a mathematical truism - the poorer you are, the larger your house is as a proportion of your total wealth).
My point is that we cannot divide people into owners of capital vs non-owners of capital. Different types of capital have earned vastly different historical rates of return - the suckers who held real estate instead of corporate equities, became so much poorer ...
The financialization of the world economy also jacked up the returns on financial assets so much compared to traditional capital.
Thus, I am now interested in Bourdieu's work on the forms of capital. Only by considering the nuanced forms of capital (and their differing rates of return, which is an aspect that I doubt Bourdieu considered, or at least, quantified), can one have a better understanding of the motions of capitalism.

cannot compete with the monopolies. This is a familiar claim - progressives today hate Amazon because it drives small shops out of business. Furthermore, it is anecdotally clear that many small business owners, although they are technically capitalists, only earn as much as a regular high-wage employee (the median small business owner probably only earns as much). (I do not have any data on this claim, but as a commercial banking RM, I have seen the financials of enough small business owners to be able to make this tentative claim myself.)
ii) Piketty's claim of the Great Convergence post-World Wars: that a robust middle class only emerged during this time. Hence, the middle class may have been an alien concept to M&E.
My point is that I am not satisfied with a naive distinction between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. Small business owners, technically the bourgeoisie, do not earn tremendous amounts; superstar employees at the top tech firms, hedge funds or white-shoe law firms, technically the proletariat because they are still wage-earners, earn (way) more than the median business owner. For example, Zuck's insane $100M signing bonus offers to top AI researchers from OpenAI, in June 2025.
Hell, in modern corporate governance, the top executives of the largest companies are still the proletariat, because they are professional managers, not the owners of the firm!
Perhaps M&E later address these nuances, or maybe Marx addresses them in Das Kapital. But for now, the narrative is incomplete.