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Jan 08, 2015 07:30AM
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and let me add...Please remember those who have died trying to defend it and never, ever forget what they had to do so we can have freedom. Thank you Jim, I love your books and I can see that you as a person are a man of great integrity.
You are quite correct in pointing out that our level of free speech is the exception, not the rule, historically speaking. But you are making the mistake of talking about defense of freedom in the face of violent attack. Extremists, terrorists, and those who use violence are not the biggest threats to our freedoms. No, the most significant threats to our freedoms comes at the hands of those who use the pen. "Under the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword."
Great doesn't necessarily mean good. The people in charge wield great power, without the wisdom or moral compass that guides it in a good way. They don't change things or create things like the USA PATRIOT Act out of fear. They create things like that using fear as an excuse, but it's about power. They have it, they want more. And we, as a people, don't actually want freedom. We want the illusion of freedom. So the majority of us takes what the government gives us. We grouse about it, and then say "See, we still have our freedoms" because they consider minor complaining to be a major expression of free speech.
Our level of free speech is the exception, but the rule will eventually reassert itself, because that's what we truly want. Freedom means choice, and as a people, we don't want either one.
Nicholas wrote: "You are quite correct in pointing out that our level of free speech is the exception, not the rule, historically speaking. But you are making the mistake of talking about defense of freedom in the ..."As much as I wish I could disagree, this is the sad fact of humanity as a whole. We are disposed to follow the masses, and I don't think that's something that's going to stop... ever.
Here's to hoping the day humanity as a whole starts making the right choices, and getting along is just over the horizon.
"there are predators in the world who very much want to destroy those freedoms in the name of their god"One word: Nemesis.
I can state undoubtedly that what was done in Paris is wrong. What I can't figure out is what can be done about it. This isn't WWII where you go to war and end the regime, ending the threat (threat=fear). You could economically do battle, assuming the primary problem is contained in the middle east and we could FINALLY get our need for oil under control, but we already know that this battle has gone beyond borders. Nicholas already stated above the fears that come from "enemies domestic" who seek to grasp power through legal means in reaction to such physical violence.I'd love to not only see the problem but have a way to reach toward a solution. No clue how to do that...
Just paraphrased this to someone in my household. They looked at me and said:Freedom isn't free....you just have to possess the b*lls to mint the coin....
Harsh, but accurate.
True but not all true "free speech will always win" is a rally cry and also there's always people to go against power and fear.Those dead brought laughter against bigotry. You haven't to agree with them on everything but we can agree on freedom of speech and drawing (therefore). They were children of 1969 not hungered by power. Sometimes they were crude but to be ear and to showthey were unstoppable they had to. And next wenesday CharlieHebdo will be published.
"Free men and women defend it, violently if necessary--or it dies."Defending it - for sure.
Violently - never.
Je suis Charlie, et je n'ai pas peur.
Was our defense of our freedom in the face of a mighty oppressor during WWII not violent? Like it or not, war is violent. And unfortunately, sometimes the only response to an unreasonable, unyielding enemy.
In defense of Bulwer-Lytton's 'pen is mightier than the sword' statement, no sword can kill an idea. At best, it can suppress it for a while. Every successful revolution was won not on the strength of the swords it began with, but with the ideas that inspired people to risk everything for a cause. Thomas Paine's pen inspired American colonists to stand up to the British. Voltaire's writing inspired the French to bring an end to its monarchy. At the height of WWI, Germany sent a train bearing Vladimir Lenin, the greatest weapon it had, to Russia in hopes of knocking the Tzar out of the war. It worked.
Even the scum-sucking killers in Paris were motivated not by a gun at their backs but by the twisted words whispered into their ears by the true terrorists.
I am not saying that words alone will always win out. Churchill and last week's events reminded us that "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Even so, be they good or evil, it is ideas, not swords, that inspire great actions.
To quote Dresden "...predators, human and otherwise, sense fear and look for weakness..." (Proven Guilty). Letting terrorist silence us because we are afraid will only allow them to win. We must find a way to overcome or use that fear, because "fear properly handled, could turn into something useful" (Proven Guilty). It can give us the drive to push forward and help one another in the face of adversity.
Small men will always fear free speech. As each dictator or despot will always fear the leader yet to come from the people they oppress.
Nicholas wrote: "You are quite correct in pointing out that our level of free speech is the exception, not the rule, historically speaking. But you are making the mistake of talking about defense of freedom in the ..."Nicholas - Brilliant and beautifully stated.
Karen wrote: "Gav wrote: "I think the quote we're all looking for is..."Polka will never die.""
Love it!"
I love that it spells out pwned XD
Anyway very well written JB and well said! Though I would certainly hope that violence can be avoided whenever possible, if possible.
"in the name of their god, their philosophy, their politics"... , in the end it is greed, greed for money and power (in name ONLY as they don't follow the sayings of any, religion, or politics...)
I wish I could believe it. My country seems to be going the wrong direction on that at present - our government feed the majority of the mainstream media propaganda and deliberately ill-framed statistics, and the media churn out content full of vitriol and simple hatred towards the poor, the sick, the disabled and anyone "not like us", and the general public swallow it because "it was in the paper, it has to be true". I believed that as a small child. I know better now. I wish that were not the exception to the rule among the British population. Question everything, take nothing for granted. And remember Pastor Niemöller's words, because they are as relevant today as when they were first chosen.
Tria wrote: "the media churn out content full of vitriol and simple hatred towards the poor, the sick, the disabled and anyone "not like us", and the general public swallow it because "it was in the paper, it has to be true". I believed that as a small child. I know better now."Mark Twain once said
"If you don't read a newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read a newspaper you are misinformed."
I guess that holds true on your side of the pond as well.
Old blog post, but thanks for letting me see the beginning of that quote. People often take quotes out of context and I think the pen/sword quote REALLY needs to be in context. Shoot, just look at the difference between US and UK. There are things you can say in the US about celebs (for example) that would get you sued in UK
Nicholas wrote: "You are quite correct in pointing out that our level of free speech is the exception, not the rule, historically speaking. But you are making the mistake of talking about defense of freedom in the ..."Power is the root of those who rule, wether gained by word or sword, their rule, and rules will mitigate the risks of 'free speech'.
Cornelia wrote: ""Free men and women defend it, violently if necessary--or it dies."Defending it - for sure.
Violently - never.
Je suis Charlie, et je n'ai pas peur."
Never? If we hadn’t resisted with violence in each World War, you’d be speaking a different language now and growing up in a fascist/imperialist police state. It’s arrogant, naive, and ignorant to believe change and resistance can be achieved solely through non-violent methods.
The sad thing is, this is more true than ever. We now have people on both sides of politics cheering for censorship; that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequence.It boggles my mind and thoroughly disheartens me to see such lack of thought lifted up as some kind of virtue and not the tragedy it is.
True. But before you can get the younger generations to defend it, you have to teach them something that has been left out of their upbringings. That is you never know what might happen; so you can't make decisions based on FEAR of what Might Happen if this if that. You decide rationally what should happen and find out



















