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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Help & Discussion Thread



Museum 4: The National Art Center in Tokyo


1. Location - Tokyo, Japan
Task: Read a book set in Japan.

2. About - Its Monet exhibition, held between 7 April and 2 July 2007, was the second most visited exhibition of the year, not only in Japan but in the world.
Task: Read a book that is the 2nd in a series.

3. Collection - Great Wave off Kanagawa
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Task: Read a book with waves on the cover.

4. Interactive Item - based on the National Art Center in Tokyo.
Task: Your choice based on your selection from the collection. Required - link to the picture and explain connection.


Christina ❤️M❤️ (christir1159) | 1 comments https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the building was a work of art. It also said that that it was the only museum considered an "empty" museum.


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Ayacchi | 1732 comments Can Doll Bones Doll Bones by Holly Black be consider as waves?


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Christina wrote: "https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the building was a work of art. It also said that that it was the only muse..."


It's pretty amazing. I almost did a task based on that glass structure. You could use it for "glass" in title for your interactive task if you like. Just a suggestion.


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Ayacchi wrote: "Can Doll Bones Doll Bones by Holly Black be consider as waves?"

Yes, you may.


Christina ❤️M❤️ (christir1159) | 1 comments Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the building was a work of art. It also said that that it..."


I was hoping to use the building itself for a task. Task- Read a book with a painting or drawing of a house on cover. Would you accept that?


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Christina wrote: "Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the building was a work of art. It also sa..."


You can use the building, but I don't understand the connection to it being a house. You'll need to justify that connection so that I can understand where you're getting "house" from it.


Christina ❤️M❤️ (christir1159) | 1 comments Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the building was a work ..."


Should I change the word to building or structure just to be more vague? I am not going to lie.. I am worried about these tasks.


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Marie Claude (mariecg2001) | 1030 comments Christina wrote: "Janice wrote: " I am not going to lie.. I am worried about these tasks."

I have to admit that I write them in a way I know I can find at least one book on my bookshelves that will fit. I don't know which, and I might be surprised that books fit while I did not think about them while writing the task. But I make sure I'm not painting myself in a corner ;)


message 10: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments I had a look at your thread Christina and it seems you're doing a good job with the interactive tasks.


Christina ❤️M❤️ (christir1159) | 1 comments Peggy wrote: "I had a look at your thread Christina and it seems you're doing a good job with the interactive tasks."

Thanks Peggy. That is all I am planning to do for now. . . One level at a time :)


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Christina wrote: "Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "Janice wrote: "Christina wrote: "https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...

I found a site that said the build..."


Yes. If you change it to building, that would be fine.

As for fitting tasks to books you own, that's fine. You can see a collection item that has a dove on it and you know who have a book with the word "dove" in the title, by all means, use that as a task. Don't overthink it too much.

I haven't seen your thread, but Peggy says it looks good so it sounds like you're on track.


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Ayacchi | 1732 comments Can we use the exhibition held there, since it has no permanent collection? Such as this forest of numbers?


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Kristie | 19360 comments Ayacchi wrote: "Can we use the exhibition held there, since it has no permanent collection? Such as this forest of numbers?"

I would say yes, since they don't house a permanent collection.

I didn't even consider the difference between a collection and an exhibition. I was just looking at what was housed in the museum. Now I'll have to go back and check on my choices just to see which they are.


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Sarah | 18550 comments I think exhibition was included in the challenge blurb from what I recall. In relation to the interactive tasks.


message 16: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments I included exhibitions as well, but I did wonder if the links will work throughout the year. If an exhibition is over, maybe the link changes or the information is removed from the website?


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Ayacchi wrote: "Can we use the exhibition held there, since it has no permanent collection? Such as this forest of numbers?"

Yes, you may use exhibitions being held at the museum - either past, present, or future exhibitions.


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Peggy wrote: "I included exhibitions as well, but I did wonder if the links will work throughout the year. If an exhibition is over, maybe the link changes or the information is removed from the website?"

You might need to screen shot those pictures so that you don't lose the link.


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Roz | 4558 comments I was also thinking of using the building itself for the interactive task.
It was designed by Kisho Kurokawa. My task would be to read a book written by an author with the same letter for first and last name, eg Marissa Meyer (M), Benjamin Black (B).
If that isn't okay, I'll come up with something else. Thanks


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Roz wrote: "I was also thinking of using the building itself for the interactive task.
It was designed by Kisho Kurokawa. My task would be to read a book written by an author with the same letter for first and..."


That will work. I can see the connection.


message 21: by Ayacchi (new)

Ayacchi | 1732 comments Thanks all, I'll keep going then


message 22: by Roz (new)

Roz | 4558 comments Janice wrote: "Roz wrote: "I was also thinking of using the building itself for the interactive task.
It was designed by Kisho Kurokawa. My task would be to read a book written by an author with the same letter f..."


Thanks Janice.


message 23: by Janice, Moderator (last edited Dec 07, 2020 07:54AM) (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Rusalka, I need a ruling on the interactive task you assigned for Museum 4 - Geometric shape over the entire cover.

Is this what you had in mind?
Moved to Interactive Help Thread.


message 24: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11326 comments I think I'm using the building too. It is quite amazing, indeed.


message 25: by Roz (new)

Roz | 4558 comments For the Collections task, Read a book with waves on the cover:
Do the waves have to be water?
I think I'd like to read The Great Passage by Shion Miura if it qualifies.


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Roz wrote: "For the Collections task, Read a book with waves on the cover:
Do the waves have to be water?
I think I'd like to read The Great Passage by Shion Miura if it qualifies."


Considering that the book is about navigating a "sea of words", I will accept these words as waves.


message 27: by Roz (new)

Roz | 4558 comments Thank you, Janice 😘


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Cherie (crobins0) | 21536 comments Janice - is the series criteria explicit to at least three books in a series or can a sequel apply. I am specifically referring to Ready Player Two.
I have another place for it but IF it fits I might use it for this task.


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Cherie wrote: "Janice - is the series criteria explicit to at least three books in a series or can a sequel apply. I am specifically referring to Ready Player Two.
I have another place for it but IF it fits I mi..."


In YLTO, a series is identified as being at least 3 books.


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Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Hey Janice,

The National Art Center in Tokyo has 7 enormous column-less display rooms.

So, for the interactive task, I was thinking of going for a book whose title is either made of up 7 words or 7 letters.

Is that okay?


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Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Can Dead Wake The Last Crossing of the Lusitania by Erik Larson be considered as waves?


message 32: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Hey Janice,

The National Art Center in Tokyo has 7 enormous column-less display rooms.

So, for the interactive task, I was thinking of going for a book whose title is either made of up 7 words or..."


No, sorry. The interactive tasks are to be derived by the collection or exhibits.


message 33: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Can Dead Wake The Last Crossing of the Lusitania by Erik Larson be considered as waves?"

Yes, that will be fine.


message 34: by Gunit Kaur (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Thanks Janice...
I'll think of something else for the interactive task. :)


message 35: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Thanks Janice...
I'll think of something else for the interactive task. :)"


I'm rethinking this ruling. I did say that interactive tasks could be based on building features. I make so many rulings that I forget sometimes. It's a good thing I have people who keep me on the straight and narrow.

Can you give me a link to where these rooms are discussed as part of the features of the museum and I will review it? Thanks.


message 36: by Gunit Kaur (last edited Jan 17, 2021 04:57AM) (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Janice wrote: "Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Thanks Janice...
I'll think of something else for the interactive task. :)"

I'm rethinking this ruling. I did say that interactive tasks could be based on building featur..."


You will find the details about the 7 column-less display rooms at this link...
https://www.architonic.com/en/project...

I also have another idea. There was an exhibition by Yayoi Kusama at the national art center in which her "My Eternal Soul" paintings were displayed.
In the exhibition, there was an art piece by her, in which beautiful 3D flowers were displayed. Below is a link to the image of the 3D flowers.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Pzai6PoJceS...

There was another piece of art which consisted of a 3D pumpkin, the link for which is given below:

https://images.app.goo.gl/xwXHVWMAvQr...

So I was thinking of a book which either has flowers or a pumpkin on the cover or in the title.


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Ayacchi | 1732 comments Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "So I was thinking of a book which either has flowers or a pumpkin on the cover or in the title.."

I used Yayoi Kusama's flower exhibition as well, with task flowers on cover, so maybe you want to focus on the task flower in the title? Or maybe book with colorful cover etc


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Janice wrote: "Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Thanks Janice...
I'll think of something else for the interactive task. :)"

I'm rethinking this ruling. I did say that interactive tasks could be based on ..."


Thanks for posting that link to the architectural design. I have allowed the exterior of the building, so I will allow your task as well. Thanks for being patient with me.

The other two ideas work as well, so now you have to decide which one you'll chose for your interactive task.


message 39: by Gunit Kaur (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Ayacchi wrote: "Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "So I was thinking of a book which either has flowers or a pumpkin on the cover or in the title.."

I used Yayoi Kusama's flower exhibition as well, with task flowers on co..."


Yup... I might just do that....


message 40: by Gunit Kaur (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Janice wrote: "Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Janice wrote: "Gunit Kaur Kalada wrote: "Thanks Janice...
I'll think of something else for the interactive task. :)"

I'm rethinking this ruling. I did say that interactiv..."


Thanks Janice.
I'll pick one of these tasks based on the book I wanna read the most... :)

Also, do I have to finish one museum completely before moving on to the next? I know that for the first badge, we need to finish 4 museums or 16 books completely. But since I've picked at least 3 museums already, I was hoping to maybe read a books from another one.


message 41: by Gunit Kaur (last edited Jan 17, 2021 08:44AM) (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments For the book with waves on the cover, I found 2 more options for anyone that's looking.
The Night Swim by Megan Goldin or Girls of Glass by Brianna Labuskes


message 42: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments You don't need to read in order Gunit. Just make sure you report for what badge you want a book to count.


message 43: by Gunit Kaur (new)

Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Great... Thanks Peggy... :)


message 44: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments No worries! Oh, and you can change it later as well, so if you report a book for badge 3 but later you want to count it for badge 2, just make a new post in your thread clearly explaining the change.


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Gunit Kaur Kalada | 407 comments Cool...


message 46: by Hobbit_Marco (new)

Hobbit_Marco This was a difficult one to find items/pictures for.

I want to check if this is acceptable (bear with me here)
They had fashion exhibit:
https://www.nact.jp/english/exhibitio...

It shows this red aloha floral shirt:
Hanae MORI, Men's aloha shirt with red flower pattern

I found a link to it here:
https://fij2020.jp/image/highlight_w0...

Since it's floral, the actual task would be "Read a book that has flower(s) in the title".

Would that be okay? Can I also do something like: The title has to have flowers in it. So a like a title with 'rose' or 'tulip' would also be okay? Or is that too broad of a definition?


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Hobbit_Marco wrote: "This was a difficult one to find items/pictures for.

I want to check if this is acceptable (bear with me here)
They had fashion exhibit:
https://www.nact.jp/english/exhibitio...

It s..."


Both of your task ideas would work. You're good as long as I can understand how you got from the picture to the creation of your task. I can certainly follow yours.


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Anne ✨ Finds Joy (annefindsjoy) | 799 comments The Survivors by Jane Harper

This is one long wave at the shoreline, thinking it's ok but thought i should check it's ok for task: Read a book with waves on the cover.

I can use it elsewhere but this task works best for me i think....

OK to use?


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Janice (jamasc) | 60150 comments Anne ✨ wrote: "The Survivors by Jane Harper

This is one long wave at the shoreline, thinking it's ok but thought i should check it's ok for task: Read a book with waves on the cover.

I can use it elsewhe..."


It's okay to use.


message 50: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11326 comments I came here to check on the same cover about waves. I'm glad Anne did it already. :)


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