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"1. Argument from incredulity
2. Spurious science
3. Selective quotation
4. “If I don’t, somebody rise will”
5. The existentialist fallacy" — Jun 12, 2025 03:02PM
"1. Argument from incredulity
2. Spurious science
3. Selective quotation
4. “If I don’t, somebody rise will”
5. The existentialist fallacy" — Jun 12, 2025 03:02PM
“I went down to the river,
I set down on the bank.
I tried to think but couldn't,
So I jumped in and sank.”
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I set down on the bank.
I tried to think but couldn't,
So I jumped in and sank.”
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“The thought of suicide is a great consolation: by means of it one gets through many a dark night.”
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“People pontificate, "Suicide is selfishness." Career churchmen like Pater go a step further and call in a cowardly assault on the living. Oafs argue this specious line for varying reason: to evade fingers of blame, to impress one's audience with one's mental fiber, to vent anger, or just because one lacks the necessary suffering to sympathize. Cowardice is nothing to do with it - suicide takes considerable courage. Japanese have the right idea. No, what's selfish is to demand another to endure an intolerable existence, just to spare families, friends, and enemies a bit of soul-searching.”
― Cloud Atlas
― Cloud Atlas
“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
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