Status Updates From Discours. Tome X: Catilinaires

Note 2/2:

I would have thought that Stoicism was all about preserving your independence of thought in a world full of noise and emotion, which welcomes changing one's mind.

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Cato, who I take to be Cato the younger, stood up after the 4th Catilinarian speech and castigated Silanus, his brother-in-law, for changing his mind, because as a strict Stoic, Cato believed that changes of mind could not be justified.

Wtf? Since when did the Stoics believe this? I did not know this.

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I read in the general introduction that Cicero, when he just made consul in 63 BC, in the 4 De Lege Agraria speeches (only 3 are extant), managed to successfully persuade the people against a land reform bill (land redistribution) proposed by Publius Servilius Rullus.

So they were already talking about land reform in ancient Rome. Fascinating. I have many jumbled thoughts about land reform - like, what ...

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Some scholars use the term 'political' as synonymous with 'deliberative', so I note that although all the speeches in my edition are political in the normal sense of the word, only 4 are deliberative.

The companion volume, 'Defense speeches', contains 5 forensic speeches.

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level in Cicero's time.

So my copy of 'Political speeches' contains 2 forensic speeches, 4 deliberative speeches, and 3 epideictic speeches.

In Catilinam I may count as epideictic, and II - IV may count as deliberative.

pg xii

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Some fascinating context: Cicero was a master of the 2 main types of oratory, 'forensic' (the oratory of the forum, i.e. of the law courts, also known as 'judicial') and 'deliberative' (the oratory of the political assemblies).

A 3rd type, 'epideictic' (of display, or of praise and blame, so D.H. Berry says more technically, 'panegyric' or 'invective') was less important at the higher political...

alla fine catilina ha ragione, anche io avrei voluto far esplodere cicerone

sono all’ultima catilinaria, quando il bacio tra gli enemies to lovers?