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Andre
is on page 256 of 288
Done. Sometimes the book was difficult to read completely. But mostly the author wrote well.
— Aug 31, 2025 07:39AM
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Andre
is on page 220 of 288
Did Minnan really suplant Mandarin in the 90s as this says?
— Aug 31, 2025 07:37AM
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Andre
is on page 189 of 288
I am not surprised that this chinese general considered the Taiwanese a degraded people outside pure chinese civilization and that the KMT troops considered Taiwan conquered territory to be looted. No wonder some preferred the Japanese after a while.
— Aug 31, 2025 07:03AM
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Andre
is on page 178 of 288
Ironic, the Japanese basically made the Taiwanese, along with their colonial masters, the most highly educated people in Asia.
— Aug 31, 2025 04:57AM
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Andre
is on page 169 of 288
So Goto created a japanese youth corps for the boys to spy on the population, his actions ruffled Tokyo's feathers because of his violence and the japanese wanted to develop Taiwan to get profit out of it, for that the people needed to stay healthy and only be able to read what was necessary, not make them too smart.
— Aug 31, 2025 04:56AM
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Andre
is on page 149 of 288
So Liu strengthened Taiwan militarily not simply for defense against outsiders but against the Taiwanese who are known to rebell at the slightest provocation. But building a railway was difficult because of bribery and workers not having the jobs explain and so taking railway pegs for fires.
— Aug 31, 2025 04:33AM
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Andre
is on page 145 of 288
His writing about the reasons the court rejected trains for China sound really like stereotypes, all this writing about mother earth and feng shui is ridiculous. By that logic they should have never built any dams or roads.
And apparently it was this Liu who renamed Taiwanfu to Tainan after naming the island Taiwan and moving the capital to Taipeh because of the japanese threat after Taichung proved too costly.
— Aug 31, 2025 04:09AM
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And apparently it was this Liu who renamed Taiwanfu to Tainan after naming the island Taiwan and moving the capital to Taipeh because of the japanese threat after Taichung proved too costly.
Andre
is on page 140 of 288
I think I read about this guy who led to th first modernization of Taiwan.
— Aug 29, 2025 01:05PM
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Andre
is on page 135 of 288
Was the Japanese court really that much looking inside before Matthew Perry came along? Was there no one being interested in the outside world?
— Aug 29, 2025 12:54PM
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Andre
is on page 133 of 288
Hm, I wonder why thee foreigners backed the Qing in those few examples. What was different there?
— Aug 28, 2025 12:48PM
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Andre
is on page 124 of 288
Oh, that George Psalmanazar fraud, who claimed to be "Formosan" while being in England and France. Did he really have such a big impact on keeping the interest in Taiwan alive in England and France as the book claims?
— Aug 28, 2025 12:46PM
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Andre
is on page 118 of 288
Triads, family loyalties, craft and trade guilds, combine that with Qing corruption, plus forbidding iron to be sent to the island, and this sounds like an area for a good few thriller shows/movies.
— Aug 28, 2025 12:40PM
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Andre
is on page 115 of 288
If all Taiwanese products were considered to go to the mainland before the opening of the empire, I wonder how the Taiwanese managed to smuggle it to other destinations and if the sugar trade developed rapidly with freer trade later, I wonder whether that sugar was sent to Japan, the phillipines and australia before already. And the Taiwanese seem almost to have been discouraged from taking the civil exam.
— Aug 28, 2025 12:36PM
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Andre
is on page 112 of 288
Conquest and empire building in the european style were not the chinese way? In what way exactly? And why bring that up with the Kangxi emperor? The guy was a conquerer and not even chinese, he was a Manchu, and their dynasty conquered and colonized huge parts of east asia. This author had a serious tendency to sugarcoat the chinese. After all, I hear nothing about woman and drug trafficking in china.
— Aug 14, 2025 02:43AM
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Andre
is on page 103 of 288
So the Cheng regime kept the dutch taxes almost unaltered and supported trade. But what is the author going on about linking kidnapping of women as wives for taiwanese men to what happened in the early 2000s? he says young women are still induced to come to Taiwan as wives for wealthy businessmen working in China and talks about Taiwan being a hub for woman and drug trafficking.
— Aug 14, 2025 02:40AM
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Andre
is on page 97 of 288
Did he mean to be sarcastic when he claimed that the Dutch never appreciated the honor of being in the Manchu tributary system? After all, what was this giving presents and receive presents supposed to be good for, for the Dutch? Is the author sugarcoating China?
— Aug 13, 2025 05:49AM
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Andre
is on page 91 of 288
So the Manchus ordering the evacuation of the southeast coast caused a lot of people seeking their fortune in Taiwan despite its reputation of barbarians and disease then stay in Fujian.
— Aug 13, 2025 05:46AM
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Andre
is on page 89 of 288
Interesting to read about the differences between Koxinga's reception in Taiwan and China at the time but I did wonder whether the author's statements about chinese leaders had any actual relevance back then. He comes with the whole "we need to feed our people" again and it sounds quite romanticized. And I noticed that he accused the Dutch of racism but never the Chinese.
— Aug 13, 2025 05:43AM
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Andre
is on page 83 of 288
I disagree with the author in 2 points here:
1) Simple meritocracy did not and does not simply lie at the heart of chinese government and administration past or present. Back then big parts of the population were barred from either rising in the ranks.
2) Even back in 2005 when this came out was the chinese leadership not really concerned with the welfare of the people.
— Aug 13, 2025 04:50AM
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1) Simple meritocracy did not and does not simply lie at the heart of chinese government and administration past or present. Back then big parts of the population were barred from either rising in the ranks.
2) Even back in 2005 when this came out was the chinese leadership not really concerned with the welfare of the people.




