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"Most scholars who write on religion and violence give no definition of religion. Others will acknowledge the now notorious difficulty of providing a definition of religion, but will give some version of the assertion that “everybody knows what we mean when we say ‘religion.’” This is a sign that something is probably wrong. One should react as one would when urged by a realtor to waive an inspection..."
— Apr 29, 2026 11:21AM
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Andrew Meredith
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"Well into the twentieth century, ...religion was considered to be one of the principal binding forces that held a civilized society together. Church and state were separate institutions, but religion was not separate from the culture and political life of the nation. Government was expected to protect the rights of dissenters, but it was not expected to remain neutral with regard to religion."
— May 06, 2026 11:19AM
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The myth of "The Wars of Religion" has "a foundational importance for the secular West, because it explains the origin of its way of life and its system of governance. It is a creation myth for modernity." It "is also a soteriology, a story of our salvation from mortal peril."
— May 05, 2026 12:47PM
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Cavanaugh traces the history of the word "religion" to show how it developed from the idea of "a binding duty" in the ancient world to mean "a unified system of metaphysical beliefs" (or something like this, there are over 50 different potential definitions, and that's part of the problem this chapter addresses) in the modern area.
The trick is to define it so as not to include secular "isms," which can't be done.
— May 04, 2026 12:12PM
The trick is to define it so as not to include secular "isms," which can't be done.
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"There is no transhistorical and transcultural essence of religion, and essentialist attempts to separate religious violence from secular violence are incoherent. In "Western" societies, the attempt to create a transhistorical and transcultural concept of religion that is essentially prone to violence is one of the foundational legitimating myths of the liberal nation-state."
— Apr 28, 2026 02:35AM



"We are presented with a range of ideologies, practices, and institutions—Islam, Marxism, capitalism, Christianity, nationalism, Confucianism, Americanism, Judaism, the nation-state, liberalism, Shinto, secularism, Hinduism, and so on—all of which have been known to support violence under certain conditions. A careful examination of the varieties of each and the empirical conditions under which each does in fact support violence is helpful and necessary. What is not helpful is the attempt to divide the above list into religious and secular phenomena and then claim that the former are more prone to violence. As we shall see, such a division is arbitrary and unsustainable on either theoretical or empirical grounds."
"The arguments I have examined can be sorted into three somewhat overlapping types: religion causes violence because it is (1) absolutist, (2) divisive, and (3) insufficiently rational."
Cavanaugh then examines nine different scholars from various disciplines (economical, sociological, political, historical, psychological) who have made the argument that religion produces violence or is in some way uniquely violent.
"Kimball is typical of those who make the argument that religion is prone to violence in that he assumes a sharp distinction between the religious and the secular, without explicitly analyzing or defending such a distinction. This is not a peripheral issue; the entire force of the argument rests on this distinction. In making this assumption, Kimball and others ignore the growing body of scholarly work that calls the distinction into question. The case for nationalism as a religion, for example, has been made repeatedly, from Carlton Hayes’s 1960 classic, 'Nationalism: A Religion', to more recent works by Peter van der Veer, Talal Asad, Carolyn Marvin, and others. Marvin and David Ingle argue that “nationalism is the most powerful religion in the United States.” Kimball and others who make the religion-and-violence argument might wish to defend the religious-secular distinction against these other lines of argument, but in fact they do not. The argument that religion is prone to violence goes on as if “we all know religion when we see it,” while arbitrary and undefended decisions are made as to what constitutes a religion and what does not."
"There is no reason to suppose that so called secular ideologies such as nationalism, patriotism, capitalism, Marxism, and liberalism are any less prone to be absolutist, divisive, and irrational than belief in, for example, the biblical God. As Marty himself implies, belief in the righteousness of the United States and its solemn duty to impose liberal democracy on the rest of the world has all of the ultimate concern, community, myth, ritual, and required behavior of any so-called religion. The debate that was revived in the late twentieth century over a ban on flag burning is replete with references to the “desecration” of the flag, as if it were a sacred object. It is not enough, therefore, to claim that worship of God is absolutist. The real question is, what god is actually being worshipped?"
"But surely, the objection might go, nobody really thinks the flag or the nation or money or sports idols are their “gods”—those are just metaphors. However, the question is not simply one of belief, but of behavior. If a person claims to believe in the Christian God but never gets off the couch on Sunday morning and spends the rest of the week in the obsessive pursuit of profits in the bond market, then what is absolute in that person’s life in a functional sense is probably not the Christian God. Matthew 6:24 personifies Mammon as a rival god, not in the conviction that such a divine being really exists, but from the empirical observation that people have a tendency to treat all sorts of things as absolutes."
"Now, let us ask the following two questions: what percentage of Americans who identify themselves as Christians would be willing to kill for their Christian faith? What percentage would be willing to kill for their country? Whether we attempt to answer these questions by survey or by observing American Christians’ behavior in wartime, it seems clear that, at least among American Christians, the nation-state—Hobbes’s “mortal god”—is subject to far more absolutist fervor than religion. For most American Christians, even public evangelization is considered to be in poor taste, and yet most would take for granted the necessity of being willing to kill for their country, should circumstances dictate."
"The point is not simply that secular violence should be given equal attention to religious violence. The point is that the distinction between secular and religious violence is unhelpful, misleading, and mystifying, and it should be avoided altogether"