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'Frequently, we hear the assertion that the democratic institutions are only a disguise for the "dictatorship of capital." The Marxists have used this slogan for a long time. [...] Today Hitler and Mussolini ask the nations to rise up against "plutodemocracy." In answer to this it suffices to point out that in Great Britain [...] and in the United States the elections are completely free of coercion.'

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Jun 19, 2020 01:24PM
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'What is wrong with Western civilization is the accepted habit of judging political parties merely by asking whether they seem new and radical enough, not by analyzing whether they are wise or unwise, or whether they are apt to achieve their aims. Not everything that exists today is reasonable; but this does not mean that everything that does not exist is sensible.'
Jun 19, 2020 04:22PM
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'Only those who unconditionally and unrestrictedly consider the market economy as the only workable form of social cooperation are opponents of the totalitarian systems and are capable of fighting them successfully. Those who want socialism intend to bring to their country the system which Russia and Germany enjoy. To favor interventionism means to enter a road which inevitably leads to socialism.'
Jun 19, 2020 04:22PM
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'The unhampered market economy is not a system which would seem commendable from the standpoint of the selfish group interests of the entrepreneurs and capitalists. It is not the particular interests of a group or of individual persons that require the market economy, but regard for the common welfare.'

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Jun 19, 2020 11:54AM
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'All national monopolies and — with a few exceptions — all international monopolies owe their existence to tariff legislation. Were the governments really serious about fighting monopolies they would use the effective means they have at their disposal; they would remove the import duties. If they merely did this the "monopoly problem" would lose its importance.'
Jun 19, 2020 11:05AM
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Anti-profiteering has been made a priority in the eve of WW2.

France : Nationalization of weapon industries by Blum (Front Populaire)
England : 100% war profits tax (Labour Party)
USA : Even stronger measures to prevent war profits.

Causing severe drop in military production, leading — along with governmental meekness from UK and France — to the Axis having the upper hand in the early stages of the conflict...
Jun 19, 2020 10:10AM
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'The incompatibility of war with the market economy and civilization has not been fully recognized because the progressing development of the market economy has altered the original character of war itself. It has gradually turned the total war of ancient times into the soldiers' war of modern times.'

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=> Ludwig von Mises might allude to the concept of 'doux commerce' dating back from the Enlightenment.
Jun 19, 2020 08:06AM
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'Democracy is the corollary of the market economy in domestic affairs; peace is its corollary in foreign policy. The market economy means peaceful cooperation and peaceful exchange of goods and services. It cannot persist when wholesale killing is the order of the day.'

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Jun 19, 2020 08:02AM
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[About syndicalism: ]
'Decisive is that the market economy, in which the owners of the means of production and the entrepreneurs as well as the workers depend on the demands of the consumers, is being replaced by a system in which the demands of the consumers no longer determine production, but by a system in which only the wishes of the producers prevail.'
Jun 19, 2020 04:07AM
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'it is necessary to emphasize that all political and economic ideas which dominate the world today [in 1940] have been developed by English, Scottish, and French thinkers. Neither the Germans nor the Russians have contributed one iota to the concepts of socialism; the socialist ideas came to Germany and Russia from the West just as did the ideas which many Germans and Russians today stigmatize as Western.'
Jun 18, 2020 02:45PM
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'By making the higher incomes pay a larger share of the public expenditures than lower incomes, one impedes the operation of capital and eliminates the tendency, which prevails in a society with increasing capital, to increase the marginal productivity of labor and therefore to raise wages.'


=> I wonder how wont are people earning higher incomes not to spend them so as to gather capitals and pay higher wages today.
Jun 16, 2020 05:17AM
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message 1: by P.E. (last edited Jun 19, 2020 01:34PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

P.E. Full quote :
'Frequently, we hear the assertion that the democratic institutions are only a disguise for the "dictatorship of capital." The Marxists have used this slogan for a long time. Georges Sorel and the syndicalists repeated it. Today Hitler and Mussolini ask the nations to rise up against "plutodemocracy." In answer to this it suffices to point out that in Great Britain, in the British Dominions, and in the United States the elections are completely free of coercion. Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected president by a majority of the voters. Nobody forced any American citizen to vote for him. Nobody prevented anyone from voicing publicly what he considered an argument against the re-election of Roosevelt. The citizens of America were free to decide, and they did decide.'


=> Conditions may well have been different in 1940, still, you have to consider the amount of private & corporate tax-free donations funding political campaigns. You can't understate the importance of such subsides & publicity in democratical elections (e.g. in the USA & France) : you can't just infer democracy from people freely voting for their political representatives, you have to take the process as a whole.

That doesn't invalidate Ludwig von Mises' whole point but calls for nuance & discussing the necessary conditions for a meaningful democracy to take place.


message 2: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus It was never entirely true, but it's less so than ever.


P.E. I agree with that. Also, take the education system into consideration too, while you are at it, right?


message 4: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus One of the undermentioned effects of the disease of advertising is the entrenchment of privilege and the creation of "aspirational" good and services. Like religion, consumer capitalism separates ppl into upper and lower, good and bad, worthy and un-. So its effect on elections is to exacerbate the existing divides between points of view, to sell the candidate: "We're right, they're wrong."

And yes, I subscribe to the view that right-wing nativist religious assholery is evidence of low intellect and nonexistent moral sense, but I was suckled on advertising, wasn't I.


P.E. This essay is actually raising the question whether interventionism - funding, fixing prices, tariffs & production, taxing income & property - offers a viable replacement to capitalism / market economy (i.e. private ownership of the means of production), be it socially, politically or economically.

LvM posits it doesn't and that capitalism / the market economy fits parliamentary democracy like a glove, being the system that best satisfies the needs of the consumers as a whole, unlike all brands of interventionism, evolving necessarily into socialism according to him (i.e. public ownership of the means of production) and its various forms : fascism/pseudo corporativism, Nazi or Communist totalitarianism.


message 6: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus Spoken like a well-fed academic in a publicly funded university depending on a socialist infrastructure to live his privileged life slinging rotten eggs at The System.

Fucking adolescent twaddle, like all libertarian/free marketeering true believers.


message 7: by P.E. (last edited Jun 19, 2020 04:57PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

P.E. Don't forget it was written in 1940, the heyday of totalitarian regimes... Other excerpts hinging round the same principles :
'This analysis is intended merely to explain that the economic policy of interventionism, which is advertised by its advocates as a progressive socio-economic policy, is based on a fallacy. This book demonstrates that it is not true that interventionism can lead to a lasting system of economic organization. The various measures, by which interventionism tries to direct business, cannot achieve the aims its honest advocates are seeking by their application. Interventionist measures lead to conditions which, from the standpoint of those who recommend them, are actually less desirable than those they are designed to alleviate. They create unemployment, depression, monopoly, distress. They may make a few people richer, but they make all others poorer and less satisfied. If governments do not give them up and return to the unhampered market economy, if they stubbornly persist in the attempt to compensate by further interventions for the shortcomings of earlier interventions, they will find eventually that they have adopted socialism.

'The victories which Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler have won were not defeats of capitalism but the inescapable consequences of interventionist policy. Lenin defeated the interventionism of Kerensky. Mussolini won his victory over the syndicalism of the Italian trade unions which culminated in the seizure of factories. Hitler triumphed over the interventionism of the Weimar Republic. Franco won his victory over the syndicalist anarchy in Spain and Catalonia. In France the system of the front populaire collapsed and the dictatorship of Petain followed.'

'It is not an accident that everywhere, with the progress of interventionism, the democratic institutions have disappeared one after the other and that, in the socialist countries, oriental despotism has been able to stage a successful comeback. [...]

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This precise idea - oriental despotism - has been busted by Jack Goody in The Theft of History. Here is the extract retranslated from my French copy :

[In the Ottoman Empire] Peasants, as well as merchants enjoyed the protection of tribunals as to their activities, and women were liable to be called to testify in court. The idea of asian despotism, as we can see, represented the means for Europe to deny the legitimacy of these states, first in Ancient Greece, then in the scholars' writings in the post-Renaissance era.'


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'Mankind has a choice only between the unhampered market economy, democracy, and freedom on the one side, and socialism and dictatorship on the other side. A third alternative, an interventionist compromise, is not feasible. [...]

If there is anything history could teach us it would be that no nation has ever created a higher civilization without private ownership of the means of production and that democracy has only been found where private ownership of the means of production has existed.'


Again, this idea has been challenged by Jack Goody, who states Western countries pretend they have invented capitalism and private property, when China has a multisecular mercantile tradition allowing them to operate the silk roads & porcelain roads, among others...


message 8: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus Wish the old jackanapes was alive to see China!


message 9: by P.E. (last edited Jun 19, 2020 04:58PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

P.E. Hey! Chips!, as friends traditionnally say to one another in French when they unwittingly utter the same thing at the same moment ;) Feel free to check the couple of edits above!


message 10: by P.E. (new) - rated it 3 stars

P.E. By the way, I should add it was quite entertaining to see statuettes and other hm, likenesses of Europeans in the French East India Company Museum last week ;)

Here is, that is, if you feel like watching Westerner-shaped garden gnomes.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folder...


message 11: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus >9 Ha! I should have known you'd bring that up.

>10 Ha!! Hilarious.


message 12: by Richard (last edited Jun 19, 2020 06:22PM) (new)

Richard Derus Oh hey, next time you go, maybe walk out with these?
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I would just love to get these for Yule~


message 13: by P.E. (new) - rated it 3 stars

P.E. I can't see the image you've shared, visibly :(


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