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‘It would be a mistake to assume that Gelukpas are somehow satisfied with a mere verbal layout of intricate philosophy. There is a basic recognition that we are controlled by our ideas, and thus reformation of ideas in a harrowing process of analytical meditation - involving one’s feelings in the most intimate sense - is of central importance.’
— Aug 02, 2021 10:22PM
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‘If one thinks that it is merely polemic to put down an opponent, a great source of subtle distinctions will be lost. After holding one’s nose for awhile, the points - devoid of the polemic - become fascinating.’
— Aug 03, 2021 02:27PM
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is on page 856 of 1017
...self-contradictions that are entailed without it, one is considered to be beyond the pale of sensible discourse; as Tsongkhapa says, "We do not debate with the insane."
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— Aug 01, 2021 02:05PM
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'The four alternatives [as previously outlined], therefore, are all - inclusive only in the sense of including all possibilities of inherently existent phenomena-when these are refuted, it can be decided that phenomena do not inherently exist. They do not include all possibilities whatsoever. If one does not agree that such qualification is needed upon being shown the self-contradictions...
— Aug 01, 2021 02:04PM
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is on page 683 of 1017
‘Ridiculing the instruction manuals on the view of emptiness, even one of our own logicians propounds that there is no innate conception of the self and aggregates as different. These assertions are the bad talk of those with partial vision much like the way a one-eyed yak eats grass.’
From Jamyang Shêpa Ngawang Tsöndrü's text
— Jul 31, 2021 11:47AM
From Jamyang Shêpa Ngawang Tsöndrü's text
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is on page 677 of 1017
'Therefore, asserting that the ultimate
Is able to set itself up is like wanting
To eat up space; no one takes 'validly established'
And 'able to set itself up' as synonyms.'
— Jul 29, 2021 08:28PM
Is able to set itself up is like wanting
To eat up space; no one takes 'validly established'
And 'able to set itself up' as synonyms.'
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is on page 563 of 1017
...This view contrasts sharply with the Gelukpa interpretation. That Prasangikas have no system is refuted by Tsongkhapa in his Great Exposition of the Stages of the Path.’
— Jul 21, 2021 05:29PM
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‘Many, both in the East and in the West, have interpreted Prasangika-Madhyamika to be a systemless system that, based on the realization that words are incapable of generating an experience of objects like that of direct perception, uses reasoning merely to refute other views while propounding a meditation that is solely a withdrawal from conceptuality. This view contrasts sharply with the Gelukpa interpretation....
— Jul 21, 2021 05:27PM
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is on page 549 of 1017
‘The Gelugpa view is indeed subtle. It attempts to describe what nominal existence is: the non-identification of the imputed object as its basis of imputation and yet the coordination of these two as determined by whether the object so designated can perform its functions.’
— Jul 20, 2021 11:36PM
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is on page 549 of 1017
‘Gendun chöpel often refers to scholars who pressed him with their debates, and it appears that his objections are not to a philosophical incorrectness in Tsongkhapa’s teaching but to a pedagogical fault...Gendun chöpel essentially is accusing the Gelugpas of being too subtle for their own good.’
— Jul 20, 2021 11:31PM
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is on page 549 of 1017
‘...it is necessary [according to the Gelugpas in particular] first to realize the existence of phenomena before meditating on their emptiness...The cognition of emptiness is not the eradication of phenomena but a thorough understanding of their mode of existence.’
— Jul 20, 2021 11:23PM
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Have you ever seen a good discussion of what analytical meditation in this sense consists of? I have seen countless discussions of how to comport your mind in a stabilizing meditation, or to perform various mind trainings, for example, but I have never seen a single source laying out how exactly one performs an analytical meditation. Not once!
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Barnaby wrote: "Have you ever seen a good discussion of what analytical meditation in this sense consists of? I have seen countless discussions of how to comport your mind in a stabilizing meditation, or to perfor..."I don’t know about "a harrowing process" exactly but, yes, i believe i have.
https://studybuddhism.com/en/advanced...
The Mind Illuminated has an appendix on analytical meditation, although to what degree the author is basing his instruction on traditional texts and teachers is not clear. The entire book as a whole is the most instructive book on meditation I have ever read. It is sad that the author has fallen into disrepute, but if you are willing to overlook the author's ethical failings, the book as a whole is well worth owning.I have heard Mahayana members of the sangha interpret vipasyana as something very much like what Tibetan Buddhists describe as "analytical meditation" in English. The monks I heard this from were Southeast Asian monks who had been ordained with teachers mostly speaking and teaching in Chinese. They were intensely devout and focused most of their study and practice based on their ongoing study and exegesis of the Yogacarabhumisastra. Alas, that text due to its size has not been translated into English, but I have ever since been intrigued by the textual source for their interpretation of vipasyana. It has also made me curious what the technical term for "analytical meditation" is in Sanskrit, Tibetan, or Chinese.
r0b wrote: "Barnaby wrote: "Have you ever seen a good discussion of what analytical meditation in this sense consists of? I have seen countless discussions of how to comport your mind in a stabilizing meditati..."I should clarify that I have received some teaching regarding this from my own teacher as well as others. The Berzin link was just a convenient example, as is this:
https://janheck.com/safe2/HowAnalytic...
Allen wrote: "The Mind Illuminated has an appendix on analytical meditation, although to what degree the author is basing his instruction on traditional texts and teachers is not clear. The entire book as a whol..."Thanks very much for this contribution Allen!
Hey Allen, thanks for your comments. You may know that the Bodhisattvabhumi portion of Yogacarabhumi has been translated. I don't recall much directly and explicitly relevant in that, or any of the other works I've studied on Prajnaparamita, and wonder if the monastic textbooks on this part of the curriculum might have more information. I'll have to look through them a bit.
Thank you for your references, Rob, I'll check them out.
