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For Gorampa...realization [of ultimate truth] must have no prior causal link with the conceptual experience of the ordinary being. Since conceptual knowledge contributes nothing to the eventual realization of the nonconceptual ultimate reality, nothing whatsoever is required to bridge the gap between the conventional knowl­ edge of an ordinary being and the ultimate knowledge of an arya. The tran­sition is...
Mar 16, 2024 10:06AM
The Two Truths Debate: Tsongkhapa and Gorampa on the Middle Way

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Samsara and nirvana are both states of consciousness, as Tsongkhapa would agree, and for Gorampa all states of consciousness have their root in the alaya. Gorampas’ point is that the samsara-nirvana dichotomy is a duality, and from that perspective both are transcended in ultimate truth— clinging to the dif­ference is an obstacle to the nondual realization.
Apr 04, 2024 09:16AM
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Gorampas account of enlightened wisdom— metaphysically absolute, non­ dual, and transcendent—arises from his efforts to graft the ālāyavijñāna, the foundation consciousness of Yogacara idealism, onto the Prasangika Madhyamaka system.
Mar 31, 2024 10:42PM
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...success on the path, and that is why Tsongkhapa creates no hierarchy between them. One cannot eliminate negativity with­ out a proper appreciation for empirical cause and effect, and one cannot eliminate the root delusion about an essential self without penetrating the ultimate truth.
Mar 25, 2024 11:10PM
The Two Truths Debate: Tsongkhapa and Gorampa on the Middle Way


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Tsongkhapas main purpose in attaining nondual knowledge is not to eschew the subject-object dichotomy. The purpose, as he sees it, is rather to purify deluded cognitive states and destroy ego-tainted emotions in the service of bodhicitta—the goal of attaining full enlightenment in order to free all beings from suffering and its causes. Both the dual and nondual per­spectives are required for...
Mar 25, 2024 11:10PM
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Nondual transcendent wisdom is itself an empiri­cal phenomenon, and it is not therefore an empirically transcendent truth, as Gorampa would have it.
Mar 25, 2024 11:03PM
The Two Truths Debate: Tsongkhapa and Gorampa on the Middle Way


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From his critics’ point of view, Tsongkhapa stands accused of advocating the doctrine of Madhyamaka nihilism. Gorampa, in the (Eliminating the Erroneous View), accuses Tsongkhapa of being “seized by demons” and in the (Distinguishing Views) decries him as a “nihilistic Madhyamika” who is spreading “demonic words”.
Mar 25, 2024 11:02PM
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Tsongkhapa, on the other hand, does not equate emptiness with nothingness— yet he insists that it is possible, nev­ertheless, to achieve nondual awareness.
Mar 23, 2024 11:03PM
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Mipham Rinpoche brands Gorampas view as nothing short of quietism—a view, also attributed to the Chinese Hva Shang, that takes cognitive disengagement to be a matter of ceasing all cog­nitive activities. To take the validity of meditative equipoise as consisting in seeing nothingness is equivalent, in Mipham Rinpoche’s view, to endors­ ing Hva Shang’s insistence on stilling thoughts and becoming almost zom­bie-like.
Mar 23, 2024 11:03PM
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Modern scholars working on Madhyamaka philosophy tend to set aside anything related to meditative experiences. In my view, such an approach does a serious injustice to the epistemological systems of the Madhyamikas in general, and Tsongkhapa and Gorampa in particular.
Mar 18, 2024 10:44PM
The Two Truths Debate: Tsongkhapa and Gorampa on the Middle Way


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r0b is on page 117 of 352
Tsongkhapa argues for eradicating both the underlying reifying tenden­cies—the defilements—and the conceptually reified essence. Gorampa argues for eradicating not only the underlying reifying tendencies, but also the entire matrix of the conventional world. This disagreement about the scope of the objects of negation, as we will see, informs their disagreements on epistemology and soteriology.
Mar 18, 2024 10:43PM
The Two Truths Debate: Tsongkhapa and Gorampa on the Middle Way


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