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message 69: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "You're condescension isn't a moral trait. Your thin veneer of politeness to pathologize me-when you're literally writing apologia for scientific racis..."

fwiw, a moral trait can be good or bad concerning existence or lack of. Hope you can read contextually, because you seem to lack it.


message 68: by Joel (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "You're condescension isn't a moral trait. Your thin veneer of politeness to pathologize me-when you're literally writing apologia for scientific racism-a subject you i..."

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.


message 67: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "You're condescension isn't a moral trait. Your thin veneer of politeness to pathologize me-when you're literally writing apologia for scientific racism-a subject you inadvertently ..."

(self edit)

I really wish you did, but I doubt it. You seem to severely lack any sort of capacity for being self-reflexive.


message 66: by Joel (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "You're condescension isn't a moral trait. Your thin veneer of politeness to pathologize me-when you're literally writing apologia for scientific racism-a subject you inadvertently imply as mutually..."

Thank you for your feedback. I'll be sure to consider it with the worth it deserves.


message 65: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk You're condescension isn't a moral trait. Your thin veneer of politeness to pathologize me-when you're literally writing apologia for scientific racism-a subject you inadvertently imply as mutually exclusive from class, is. And I love being snarky, especially to people who deserve it.


message 64: by Joel (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequen..."


Sounds like you have other issues you need to work out. Have you tried speaking to a therapist?


message 63: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam"

Oooh l..."


You arrogant presumptuous twat. People who make your type of argument think they're the epitome of logic and ration ad nauseum. OOoh look I used Latin, does that make me right now? Get your head out of your ass for once in your fucking life


message 62: by Joel (last edited Mar 23, 2020 06:52PM) (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam"

Oooh look at me I can u..."


I've very sorry you didn't understand the Latin term, but in my follow-up comment, I explain what it means and how it applies to this book. Apparently you didn't read it.


message 61: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam"


Oooh look at me I can use the latin version of logical fallacies and apply them incorrectly, that means I win the argument oooh.


message 60: by Joel (new)

Joel Jan wrote: "I am concerned and horrified that a book by White Supremacist David Duke has a book on this list."

There are quite a few books on this list by people with some pretty deplorable ideologies (Ehrenreich, Klien, Marx...).


message 59: by Jan (new)

Jan I am concerned and horrified that a book by White Supremacist David Duke has a book on this list.


message 58: by Paul (new)

Paul Bowes This list would be much more useful if it were properly curated and reduced in size.


message 57: by Paul (new)

Paul Bowes Checked for duplicates - 6 books removed.

Removed one book that had clearly been spammed in: 5 votes, all 100 points, all 5 voters had voted only for that book, Goodreads Author. I wish people wouldn't do this. These lists are not promotional tools for individuals.


message 56: by Amy (new)

Amy Why are there random fiction books in this list? As much as they are good entertainers, I somehow doubt that Louis Sachar, Rick Riordan, Michael Crichton, or JK Rowling will help me 'become an informed voter.'


message 55: by D (new)

D G If you people really think this makes you informed, good luck failing in all your endeavors


message 54: by BookLovingLady (deceased Jan. 25, 2023...) (last edited Jan 21, 2017 03:16AM) (new)

BookLovingLady (deceased Jan. 25, 2023...) c wrote: "Should be renamed "Best Books to Become an Informed Voter in America". Very little of this applies to the rest of the world."

True...

Originally the description puzzled me a little "What does a citizen need to read to be an informed voter in 2008 or 2012, or just to be an informed citizen?" I'm guessing, as the creator of the list lives the USA and the two years given are years of presidential elections in the USA, 'an informed voter' applies to the US only.

@Donna
From my point of view, it might be best to follow the suggestion and rename the list "Best Books to Become an Informed Voter in America", as there are lots and lots of non-American Goodreads members, of which I'm one....


message 53: by Guy (new)

Guy Informed voter?! A plurality of these books are rhetoric at best, propaganda at worst. This is a pile of shrink-wrapped confirmation bias. And I mean this from both sides of our peculiar American aisle.

Well, at least it can inform one to where the horseshit is. That is valuable.


message 52: by Joel (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam"

Nope, not an assertion ..."


I've seen many people attack The Bell Curve and the gist of their arguments is usually "this book is just racist propaganda". I've never seen anyone actually refute any of the science in the book (to the extent you can call the social sciences and psychology "science").

Argumentum ad consequentiam means argument based on consequences. In this context, I mean that people argue against The Bell Curve on the basis that the consequences of accepting the book's thesis is that it would justify prosecuting against certain races. That is not all all the case. The book's main thesis is that a primary determinant of a person's success is intelligence, and that there are vast differences in intelligence between various classes. That conclusion should in no way imply that any given class should be given fewer liberties than any other.

And besides, whether of not people extend the conclusion of the book to justify racism in no way reflects on the truth of that conclusion.


message 51: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk Joel wrote: "Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam"


Nope, not an assertion of hypothetical conclusion/consequence based off a previous statement, just good old bias.


message 50: by Joel (new)

Joel Laurentk wrote: "I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account. "

argumentum ad consequentiam


message 49: by John (new)

John Bohnert None of these books will assist a voter. Instead you should read your local newspaper, watch local TV news, watch international news (BBC World News),watch national news,and MSNBC if you're a Democrat.


message 48: by Laurentk (new)

Laurentk deleted user wrote: "The lack of philosophical works on this list makes it beyond deplorable. It's mostly just a collection of partisan pamphlets that serve only to keep citizens short-sighted, bigoted, and unworthy to..."

I'm quite sure The bell curve is horrendous racism posing as science. Glad to see you've deleted your account.


message 47: by Joel (new)

Joel Gabriel wrote: "Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on this list? God, no.

And Ayn Rand? Really?"


Howard Zinn? Barack Obama? Noam Chomsky? Really? God no!

See what I did there?


message 46: by Katie (new)

Katie Nate wrote: "If I'm understanding some of these comments correctly, the ethos seems to be that the best path to become an informed voter is to only read the books that you agree with; but to me, that would resu..."

I completely agree. I was born a Rupublican-no-gay-marriage-coorporations-are-amazing-Christianity-for-everyone and fully believed all of it. But growing up and exposing myself to the other sides I realize the truth in what my family had to say (though, it's becoming less and less) but now I identify more as a liberal.


message 45: by Katie (new)

Katie Travis wrote: "Yeah, a lot of these would have the opposite effect of informing a voter. Instead of informing people of the truth and the issues, many of these just inform the reader of one partisan groups incred..."

Isn't that part of being an informed citizen, though? Knowing where the other side is coming from? If some political parties reference "Atlas Shrugged" or "Animal Farm" as a guide to their beliefs, I think it's worth looking into if you haven't before. I don't think any books should be banned or looked down upon no matter the content. Maybe just...not aligned with what you think :)


message 44: by ☆Dani☆ (new)

☆Dani☆ I agree with Max, this isn't relevant to non-Americans, should be renamed to specify.


message 43: by Nate (new)

Nate If I'm understanding some of these comments correctly, the ethos seems to be that the best path to become an informed voter is to only read the books that you agree with; but to me, that would result in the opposite effect of becoming a well-rounded (informed) voter.

Even if you feel the other side is filled with false/skewed information, it seems that you would still greatly benefit to understand where they're coming from so that you could potentially share your views/facts in a kinder light, rather than just bulldozing your own ideology over them.

I also think it'd be fair to say that many of these authors-on both sides-may have book sales, rather than education, at the vanguard of their thoughts when authoring a title.

The true scope of becoming an informed voter would span thousands of books, but deciding what type of government you want is probably the first step to getting there.


message 42: by Doris-Maria (new)

Doris-Maria Travis wrote: "Yeah, a lot of these would have the opposite effect of informing a voter. Instead of informing people of the truth and the issues, many of these just inform the reader of one partisan groups incred..."

Good point, as this list seems a bit to the right - however, if you are able to take the time and read them A L L then you will get a variety... Maybe better than watch TV channels.


message 41: by Gabriel (new)

Gabriel Cooper Chamko wrote: "Where is the "Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein and "The Wrecking Crew" by Thomas Frank and many others? This is a very very limited list."
Then add some.


message 40: by Nate (new)

Nate I just finished White House Burning and felt it was a great book about the history of national debt and budgets, how they've functioned historically, and how they are used today.


message 39: by Charles (new)

Charles Ayn Rand actually isn't conservative, she is an atheist and pro-choice and wasn't fond of Reagan. Her economic and views on small government is what makes her favorable to conservatives.


message 38: by Becky (new)

Becky I'm solidly in the middle if you balance my views against each other, so I find myself exasperated on all fronts :)


message 37: by Nate (new)

Nate You dont have to agree with it, but its important to see where some of these people are getting their ideas....

Well said Becky, I couldn't agree more. It's a catch-22 with political books since if you don't expose yourself to the other side you will have no way of being well-rounded, but if you do expose yourself to the other side, then people think you're nuts for spending any amount of time on it.

I spend more time reading the stuff I disagree with so I can try to understand their views more, but it seems many people prefer to read only the stances that fit their viewpoints, and their only exposure to the opposition is from the people they agree with who are only selecting bits of information to support their cause.


message 36: by Becky (new)

Becky Dont you think that those type of people need to be on the list? As, in, an example of everything thats wrong with the voters being sucked in by a constant hyperbolic attack from the media?

And Ayn Rand is tossed around so much by misunderstanding Conservatives, and Machiavelli is a book every president has read. You dont have to agree with it, but its important to see where some of these people are getting their ideas....


message 35: by Charles (new)

Charles Stephen wrote: "Gabriel wrote: "Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on this list? God, no.

And Ayn Rand? Really?"

I had very similar thoughts."


I saw Howard Zinn, Paul Krugman on the list. One who is a devote socialist with nothing positive to say about the US. The other is a phony economist, clinging to his ideology. I agree that Beck and Hannity should not be on this list.


message 34: by Nate (last edited Sep 19, 2012 11:33AM) (new)

Nate I love that you picked Frederick Douglass, since it helps communicate what I was trying to say (although since he wasn't even alive when the founding documents were written, I'm not sure how he provides the historical context that I apparently am missing). He's pointing out the hypocrisy of what was written vs. what was actually practiced-a hypocrisy that was practiced by the very authors of the documents he's referencing.

This is not about the list anymore though, and I'd rather not turn off future viewers who aren't looking for a historical debate about slavery.

You think Barton's book is worthy of the reading time, I think there are better options, either way it's on the list and I think anyone who picks it up can make their own call after reading the first chapter or two.


message 33: by Dante (new)

Dante Ferrigno Nate wrote: "If the 2/3 clause was meant to end slavery, and not to keep more representatives of the south in power, then it failed miserably. "

This statement totally ignores historical context. Frederick Douglass, a former slave, knew this when he said, “Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.

The Constitution, in its language and in its spirit, welcomes the black man to all the rights which it was intended to guarantee to any class of the American people. Its preamble tells us for whom and for what it was made.”

Frederick Douglass (June 1863)


message 32: by Nate (last edited Sep 17, 2012 03:07PM) (new)

Nate Was there ever a time when media was unbiased and trying to present all sides From my understanding newspapers often took to liking/disliking a candidate or issue and regardless of reality, reported what they wanted in the context that best suited their objectives.

I don't think media has an agenda as much as they need ratings, and a happy sunshine day doesn't get ratings. Racism or anything extreme does. You can blame the media, but really, the viewers I think are the ones to blame because they won't watch/read/click unless it's something extreme.

I didn't read all of Barton's book no, I read the first part, skimmed some of the other chapters randomly, and put it back on the shelf. I can judge it because I don't need to read every word an author scribes to surmise an opinion about his writing, just like I don't need to watch every minute of dinner in the oven to know it's cooking. This book is also not a novel where there are character developments, etc., which might be crucial to the story. Barton's format is almost short story like where he singles in on a topic, discredits it in his own fashion, then moves to the next one. I don't agree with his publisher taking it off the shelf, but I also wouldn't recommend anyone buy it unless you were on one side of the extreme.

If I recall one of his chapters is about how Jefferson is a Christian, something that's not disputed, but he's not fighting a battle not against regular historical fact, but against quacks on the other end. They amplify Jefferson's periods of doubt in faith to make it seem like he had no religious beliefs, where as Barton attempts to nullify it completely as if it was taken out of context-that a strong christian such as Jefferson could never have a moment of doubt in all his infinite wisdom. Mainstream historians (if there is such a thing), to my understanding, take it for it is: a period of doubt, nothing more, nothing less.

If the 2/3 clause was meant to end slavery, and not to keep more representatives of the south in power, then it failed miserably.


Melissa’s Bookshelf Nate wrote: "Melissa - mainstream media doesn't discuss these topics, so you can't blame them-that is just cliche phrase now used by anyone with a view that dissents from conventional thought.

I like dissent..."
Nate, where to start. So much of our history has been changed and altered because of the Progressive movement in the United States beginning in the late 1800's and really coming into fruition during Woodrow Wilson's Presidency. (Read Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism.) The founders didn't "say one thing and do another," that is misguided. The founders very much believed in the things they wrote and lived by them. For instance, most of them were abolitionists and the 2/3rds clause in the Constitution was meant to wipe out slavery by limiting the amount of influence of the Southern States. It had nothing to do with the worth of the person, only how their vote was counted which would have been influenced by their masters. I'm not saying the founders were perfect, but it is easy for us to cast stones, when we have issues in our Society that people ignore such as strapping our children and our grandchildren with massive debt without a care in the world (by both political parties.)

As for David Barton, I suggest you read his rebuttal to the publisher. Quoting letters, journals, writings all express the thoughts, opinions, and emotions of the person writing. Obviously the historians weren't alive then and so the only way we can judge that time period is through the documents, letters, journals of the time. Everything else is pure speculation. Have you read the book? If you haven't, then how can you judge something you haven't read?

The mainstream media is responsible for misrepresenting, colluding, and hiding truth. They are no longer unbiased trying to present all sides. They are definitely trying to shape opinion rather than report facts. When, for instance, the tea party is discussed, they show a picture of a white old man dressed like George Washington rather than show the African American families with young kids who are attending the rallies. Why? The media isn't trustworthy because they have an agenda. Therefore, whenever they do a hatchet job on someone like David Barton, it behooves us to try to get the facts from both sides.


message 30: by Nate (new)

Nate Melissa - mainstream media doesn't discuss these topics, so you can't blame them-that is just cliche phrase now used by anyone with a view that dissents from conventional thought.

I like dissenters, but Barton is unimpressive to me. It seems his research was based on proving others wrong, rather than publishing his own results-meaning he had a preselected conclusion and was grabbing at whatever he could, in any context, to prove his case. I would love it if he discovered new evidence or facts or illustrated how conventional wisdom on history is off a little, but he didn't do that from what I saw. His publisher, who is based in Nashville (not exactly ground zero for liberal rhetoric), agreed.

I still am not sure what Barton was trying to prove though, that Jefferson was a flawless Christian?

As for your religion reference, the founding fathers tended to say one thing, and do another-so simply quoting historical documents hardly provides enough context to what was really going on. Everyone is free, unless you're black, everyone is equal, unless you're a woman, everyone has religious freedom, except you have to pay taxes for whatever religious choice your state has made and your religion is frankly not wanted/welcome if it isn't ours.

I have found that the oxford guide to the supreme court does a great job of discussing historical cases, and how the culture and the interpretation of constitution & law was used at the time (it has changed.... A lot).


Melissa’s Bookshelf James wrote: "Our country wasn't based on the Bible (maybe The Jefferson Bible); however, a lot of people these days seem to think it was." Read the Federalist Papers. The Book of Deutoronomy in the Bible is the most heavily quoted book by the founders. Our Constitution is very much based on the bible. Read the actual documents instead of spouting what your teachers told you.


Melissa’s Bookshelf David wrote: "the holy bible and the book of mormon? really??? people, you know America is not a Christian nation, right? There's a little thing called freedom of religion..." You misunderstand the founders. Freedom of religion is a right that was put into the Constitution because the founders didn't want the government to interfere in religion like it had in England with the Church of England. They weren't afraid of religion on the contrary, they wanted it preserved against the interference of the government, not the other way around. The founders were Christians. Read the Federalist Papers and you'll figure that out. Or if that's too hard, I recommend the 5000 year leap. The Constitution was based very much on the Book of Deutoronomy in the Bible. Unfortunately, real history based on the actual documents of the time is not taught anymore.


Melissa’s Bookshelf Nate wrote: " may I suggest a book for you? Please read, "The Jefferson Lies..."

I felt like that author is sort of on the fringe debating others on the polar opposite fringe. The lies he breaks down in each..."
Everything in David Barton's book is meticulously researched and contains numerous footnotes from Jefferson's original documents. Historians hate it because it doesn't gel with their opinions on opinions. The original documents and writings can't be disputed. If you actually read it I think you would find it interesting. Don't be duped by the mainstream media.


message 26: by Liz (new)

Liz Stephen wrote: "Gabriel wrote: "Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on this list? God, no.

And Ayn Rand? Really?"

I had very similar thoughts."


As did I.


message 25: by Julien (new)

Julien V Glen Beck. Ayn Rand. The Bible.... No wonder people in the USA can't have a rational discussion about state-sponsored health care.

(And when you type "state-sponsored" in google, you get "state-sponsored terrorism" as first result. It's insane. And that's my point.)


message 24: by Nate (new)

Nate So the list would be better if it were more narrow with less titles? Isn't the point of becoming informed (on any topic) to read all sides?

Dante - I think the comments are supposed to be about the list, not a christian debate about the old world thinking (which advocated slavery) of what the founding fathers understood.


message 23: by Dante (new)

Dante Ferrigno You're absolutely right David, America is not a Christian nation. America does make law freedom of religion, but what you do not understand is that it wouldn't be so if it wasn't for the Christians in our Founding who understood God's word and His attitude toward the free will of man.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is present, there is freedom.

Galatians 5:13
For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, but through love serve one another.

Modern-day Christians may have trouble understanding this, but that's because God's word isn't really being taught in the majority of churches anymore. It's all about emotionalism and good feelings and social life. Christians in the founding era had their share this as well but it wasn't nearly as rampant as it is today.


message 22: by David (new)

David the holy bible and the book of mormon? really??? people, you know America is not a Christian nation, right? There's a little thing called freedom of religion...


message 20: by Nate (new)

Nate Wow, the publisher pulled the book because of the inaccuracies-I've never even heard of such a thing. Thanks for the link.


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